Rich:
Did you actually read what I wrote? Go back and read the first two sentences of
my post again.
You seem to be responding to an argument I never made. Maybe you're confusing
my point of view with Jeff's.
I said calling something "hand-tinted" when it is digitally colorized is
misleading. I NEVER said the person doing so is not an artist.
I don't know how I could make it any clearer.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Halegua Comic Art
To: Dave Rosen
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bride of Frankenstein photo in "color."
Dave
is a photographer an artist??
Rich
At 12:27 PM 4/21/2009, you wrote:
Rich, speaking for myself (Jeff may feel differently), I'm not saying that
painting an image digitally is not art. Some beautiful art has and is being
created digitally and I have no problem with that.
What I'm saying is calling a completely digital process "hand-tinting" is
misleading. It implies the artist actually tinted by hand a hardcopy print or
photo, whereas the tinting is actually done digitally (it doesn't matter if the
artist uses a stylus) and then the result printed out. That's the distinction.
As for more artists working digitally; of course it's happening, but to say
paints and brushes will become obsolete? I don't think so. I think there will
always be artists who work on real surfaces with real (not virtual) materials.
I certainly hope so.
Technology in the arts, used intelligently, can broaden our horizons but it
needn't necessarily eliminate or exclude other, earlier ways of doing things.
Did the electric guitar make the acoustic guitar obsolete? Nope. Drummers still
bang on real drums, potters still throw pots by hand, real actors still strut
on real stages. Despite technological developments, these things still go on.
Human self-expression needn't be reduced, limited or made obsolete by new
technology.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Halegua Comic Art
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bride of Frankenstein photo in "color."
Jeff you would be correct only if there wasa program that you
one-click" and it colors the photo by itself. an automated colorization
that is not the case as I know of no such program that exists.
the artist must use the mouse to personally colorize the photo
if he has an artist's tablet, then he uses a stylus and not a mouse (the
preferred way artists do it now)
the artist in either case must continually go back and forth with a
palette and pick the colors etc. he must direct the "virtual brush" over the
photo by hand in order to achieve what he has done.
that's just the way it is done today. at art schools all over the nation
they have classes for illustrating and painting digitally and you would
probably be shocked to learn of many artists who use this technique.
http://psd.tutsplus.com/articles/web/54-mind-blowing-digital-paintings/
look at that link.. every piece there has been digitally created. no oil
paint. no acrylics, no pen and ink, no watercolors
the canvas was a computer monitor
if you think that isn't art.. I say "you don't know what art is"
I've been an art dealer for decades, and while as an artist I use
watercolor & brush, as time goes by, that way of painting is going to be
obsolete in generations to come
Rich
At 10:18 AM 4/21/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote:
i am with you 100% on this... "hand tint" suggests this completely--
done BY HAND, not COMPUTER.
this guy doing the photos simply needs to say they hae been colored
using photoshop. the added "hand tint" is supposed to give the read
of 'old school' when, in fact, these large stills are nothing more
than digital scans that have been computer colorized.
that would be the same as saying that colorized black and white films
that are done via computer are the same as those that were done back
in the day, when they were HAND tinted, frame by frame.
the two descriptions and meanings of that term could not be more
different, technology or not, 21st century or not.
jeff
On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Dave Rosen wrote:
Well, I am old school. I hand-draw my cartoons in pen and ink on
real paper, then scan them and add color using Photoshop. But I
would never dream of calling them "hand-colored." That would imply
that I used a brush and paints (or colored pencils, or crayons),
which I don't.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Halegua Comic Art"
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To: "Dave Rosen" <hah...@sympatico.ca>; <MoPo-
l...@listserv.american.edu>; "Jeff Potokar" <jpotok...@ca.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bride of Frankenstein photo in "color."
actually I believe it is hand tinting, especially if he has an
artist's tablet
all comics and related items are colored via computer & many are
totally drawn within a computer
*****digital art*****
only old school artists who work in graphic arts use a brush or
pen anymore and frequently those that do use a Flair pen
that's just the way it is now.. 21st century art
Rich
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