LOL !
Bruce-
There was an old song that I am extremely fond of that might describe my
earlier post and your reaction to it: "I Can Dream, Can't I?"
But seriously, what a great assistance it really would be.....to actually
KNOW for certain what went out onto the marketplace and what is "safe". Sure
would save going up blind alleys on this thing.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hershenson
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
" I would hope that the auction houses and dealers who may have also
inadvertantly offered these pieces as genuine would eagerly welcome this kind
of a "master list" so the pieces can begin to be picked up in this train wreck
within the hobby."
Please don't post like this again, especially while I am drinking something.
Now I have to clean all the milk I sprayed off the monitor.
" eagerly welcome this kind of a "'master list'"!
That's a hoot. How about "would rather have six inch needles plunged into
their eyes rather than admit to ANYTHING"?
bRUCE
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Steven F. Poole <stand...@ll.net> wrote:
Hi Sean-
Thanks for your reply. I need to take the card under a strong light and
examine with a magnifying glass.
Something you said in this makes all of the sense in the world to me.
If the restorer who made these ever decides to make a list of the titles he
made and the quanities it would certainly help in removing the fakes from the
market and easing the fears of collectors like
yourself.
This really would be a tremendous aid for collectors in getting to
the root of at least this particular venture in fakery. It would indeed
eliminate much of the suspicion and doubts. I would hope that the auction
houses and dealers who may have also inadvertantly offered these pieces as
genuine would eagerly welcome this kind of a "master list" so the pieces can
begin to be picked up in this train wreck within the hobby. Of course, that
would be an admission of guilt in the alleged fraud but it sure would be a step
toward redemption!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Linkenback
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Steve,
I don't know where or how you understood that all the fakes are
supposedly paperbacked, but nothing could be further from the truth. While the
one-sheets and three-sheets are linenbacked, all the smaller sizes (halves,
inserts, and lobbies) are NOT paperbacked - though they are all restored.
Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein itself as a title is not out of the
clear, as I have seen a fake Title Card on this film in person. I have not seen
any scene card as of yet, but that doesn't mean anything one way or the other.
If the restorer who made these ever decides to make a list of the titles
he made and the quantities it would certainly help in removing the fakes from
the market and easing the fears of collectors like yourself.
Of course it is certainly possible that a card can be 60+ years old and
still be as fresh as the day it was produced. Look at some of the beautiful
lobby sets Todd is offering for sale as an example. I myself have even had
near perfect mint cards from Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and those lobbies are
nearly 90 years old.
The main question is - how good do you feel about your ability to spot
restoration? If you have a good eye for restoration and your lobby appears to
be completely unrestored, then it is most likely original.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven F. Poole
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Hi all-
A month or so ago, after the whole Universal horror scam scandal
broke, I contacted Profiles regarding a lot that I had purchased in their
spring auction. It is a 1948 lobby card for ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET
FRANKENSTEIN and is the card of the boys discovering the Monster in the packing
crate (my favorite card from the set).
Naturally, I had a knee-jerk reaction to the fakes issue and checked
the card out again closely. It is presents as near mint with no backing. I
began to wonder about something that is supposeded to be 60+ years old and is,
for lack of a better term, as "minty white" as could possiblyh be. I did not
know at the time the scandal first broke that the alleged fakes are all
apparently paper backed. I called Profiles and met with a rather dismissive
response that the "reproductionists" would not possibly have bothered with such
a low-end card (although it hammered at almost $1000, including the premium
which is just about where this card sells retail). At the time, I was
somewhat reassured although felt as though the person I spoke with apparently
representing Profiles on this issue really considered my card a small fish in
their large pond and it was not worth pursuing any kind of authentication.
The Profiles rep. did say that if I still had a doubt, I could
send it to Poster Mountain to have it proclaimed authentic.
My question is, would a card like this have been indeed not been
, for the alleged scammers, "worth their while" to fake? Also, I have not
really relished the idea of speaking with Profiles again but was wondering if
they are still utilizing Poster Mountain for authentication or using another
source if I wanted it checked out.
Thanks in advance for any direction.
Steve
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