Gotcha. Pretty precise forgeries!
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From: Sean Linkenback
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no - they are the thickness of a sanded down lobby card with a piece of
notebook (or literally copy) paper on top of them.
So they are thicker than an original card by the thickness of a piece of
notebook paper, Not that the card themselves are as thick as notebook paper.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven F. Poole
To: Sean Linkenback
Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU ; Richard Halegua Comic Art
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Ok, so the cards are thin apparently. Maybe I am missing something but I
was imagining a doctored card as something that was thicker than a "good" lobby
card as it sounds like they basically superimposed another sheet of paper onto
a card. I just don't understand how they could be thin as another layer is
being added, even with sanding.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Linkenback
To: Steven F. Poole ; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
If by thicker you mean the thickness of a piece of notebook paper then
yes.
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From: Steven F. Poole
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Rich-
Are they just a bit thicker than what seems normal?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Halegua Comic Art & Movie Posters
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Zeev
the smaller sizes consisted of real posters - lc's, wc's, hs's,
inserts - that had the front sanded down to remove the image
then an inkjet or other copy was mounted to the front (sanded side)
then each item was carefully restored to give it the appearance of an
authentic card that was restored, thereby misdirecting your attention from the
forgery
Rich
At 03:14 PM 10/6/2009, lobby card invasion wrote:
Hello Sean
Begging your indulgence. Could you please clarify a couple of
point?
1. "While the one-sheets and three-sheets are linenbacked, all the
smaller sizes (halves, inserts, and lobbies) are NOT paperbacked - though they
are all restored"
'FAKES BEING RESTORED' , just doesn't sound right. Is that really
the best way to describe what is being done?
2. If Window Cards can have their back layer removed during
restoration, and re-mounted on acid free card stock, and if S2 Art prints can
be sanded down to paper thickness, and then paperbacked or linenbacked, then
why couldn't a fake lobby card be produced by using paperbacking?
Zeev
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From: Sean Linkenback
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to
authenticate?
Steve,
I don't know where or how you understood that all the fakes are
supposedly paperbacked, but nothing could be further from the truth. While the
one-sheets and three-sheets are linenbacked, all the smaller sizes (halves,
inserts, and lobbies) are NOT paperbacked - though they are all restored.
Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein itself as a title is not out
of the clear, as I have seen a fake Title Card on this film in person. I have
not seen any scene card as of yet, but that doesn't mean anything one way or
the other.
If the restorer who made these ever decides to make a list of the
titles he made and the quantities it would certainly help in removing the fakes
from the market and easing the fears of collectors like yourself.
Of course it is certainly possible that a card can be 60+ years
old and still be as fresh as the day it was produced. Look at some of the
beautiful lobby sets Todd is offering for sale as an example. I myself have
even had near perfect mint cards from Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and those
lobbies are nearly 90 years old.
The main question is - how good do you feel about your ability to
spot restoration? If you have a good eye for restoration and your lobby
appears to be completely unrestored, then it is most likely original.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven F. Poole
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to
authenticate?
Hi all-
A month or so ago, after the whole Universal horror scam
scandal broke, I contacted Profiles regarding a lot that I had purchased in
their spring auction. It is a 1948 lobby card for ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET
FRANKENSTEIN and is the card of the boys discovering the Monster in the packing
crate (my favorite card from the set).
Naturally, I had a knee-jerk reaction to the fakes issue and
checked the card out again closely. It is presents as near mint with no
backing. I began to wonder about something that is supposeded to be 60+ years
old and is, for lack of a better term, as "minty white" as could possiblyh be.
I did not know at the time the scandal first broke that the alleged fakes are
all apparently paper backed. I called Profiles and met with a rather
dismissive response that the "reproductionists" would not possibly have
bothered with such a low-end card (although it hammered at almost $1000,
including the premium which is just about where this card sells retail). At
the time, I was somewhat reassured although felt as though the person I spoke
with apparently representing Profiles on this issue really considered my card a
small fish in their large pond and it was not worth pursuing any kind of
authentication.
The Profiles rep. did say that if I still had a doubt, I
could send it to Poster Mountain to have it proclaimed authentic.
My question is, would a card like this have been indeed
not been , for the alleged scammers, "worth their while" to fake? Also, I
have not really relished the idea of speaking with Profiles again but was
wondering if they are still utilizing Poster Mountain for authentication or
using another source if I wanted it checked out.
Thanks in advance for any direction.
Steve
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