David,
You could be right about an employee of the print shop doing restrikes
after hours using the same press, plates and paper as the genuine
strikes. But, in that case, they aren't really "fakes" at all, are they?
Since they are 100% identical to those inserts which were printed by the
same employee during regular business hours? What makes them fake -- the
fact that they were printed after hours but nothing else? No, that
doesn't float. If there's no way to identify a difference between with a
microscope or chemical paper analysis, then it's not viable to say "well
this one was printed after hours and so it is a fake even though it is
100% physically identical to this original one over here, which was
printed 6 hours earlier during regular business hours."
Now if there is a subtle difference in image size or area, a slight
difference of text placement, etc., then you've got something to work
with. But why would a restrike from a genuine original plate have a
different image size or text position? It wouldn't. The only way that
would happen is if someone used a genuine original poster for their
artwork in the plate-making process and had to zoom and crop it a tiny
bit to make it work (or were just sloppy and didn't notice they had
cropped the artwork a tiny bit). So restrikes don't work for me as an
explanation if there is a difference in image size, area, text placement
or "fuzziness" of printing. With a restrike from original plates you
would have none of that.
The big thing that made people start wondering about the Mintys was the
fact that certain specific sellers seemed to have a unlimited supply of
inserts for certain titles -- and the use of inserts was fading away at
the time these films were released and fewer inserts were being
officially printed than in earlier decades. So, having an unlimited
supply to sell is a big red flag (thus their "warehouse find" cover
story). But unlimited supply doesn't fit in with your
employee-after-hours-restrikes theory because surely the guy doesn't
still work for that 1970's or 1980's print shop and surely the plates
are still not available to him, much less the original type of paper?
How come they haven't run out of the restrikes? What, this after-hours
guy printed up thousands of these restrikes for this very odd variety of
titles back in the late 70s and early 80s and then held onto them all
these years waiting for EBay to be invented so he could dump them on the
market? Doesn't compute. The "warehouse find" explanation actually seems
more likely to me than that, and I don't buy the warehouse find explanation.
If they were restrikes made 20- to 30- odd years ago, surely the
original restrike print run would have been exhausted by now?
This leads me to suspect that most of the Mintys, if not all, were not
restrikes from original plates but just very good quality printing
plates made using genuine original posters as the artwork for the plate
making process -- and I suspect new inventory is still being printed (or
could be printed).
-- JR
David Lieberman wrote:
how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;)
The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late 1980's. They
are "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most likely done "after hours"
at the same place the originals were printed years before (at one of
the nss printing facilities).....that is why the quality is just as
good as the originals.........that is why they fooled so many
people......and that is why they still fool people today. Some are
virtually identical with the same art cropping etc., and some have the
artwork slightly cropped.
The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake inserts
include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star wars, esb, rotj,
scarface, blade runner, manhattan.
There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets printed
around the same time. They probably came from the same source as the
minty white inserts (at least that's /my/ humble opinion!). The
manhattan style b 1sh, fast times 1sh, rocky horror 1sh, star wars
a,b,c one sheets.....as well as several others.
We have done several comparisons side by side and have close ups
of some of them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in one place
though on the website. Some of them (like scarface and manhattan) we
haven't done only because we haven't had a fake one and a real one in
stock at the same time so we could compare them side by side.
Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is flat
out wrong.
*David Lieberman**
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