Hi Jim! yes....I started it.....suspecting that this would happen as the paranoia of "fakes everywhere" has affected many peoples logic circuits. but....I still haven't changed my mind. I find it fascinating though that some of the people who have chimed in with rock solid opinions against it have never even held one in their hands. Even more people have commented to me privately that they also think it is real. Most like to avoid confrontation so they won't say it publicly. best,
David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. _Our Facebook Page_ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/CineMasterpieces/7735495839?v=wall) In a message dated 11/30/2009 2:27:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jimepisa...@comcast.net writes: David I don’t mean to pile on, but you’re the one the started this; “Lord knows the last thing anyone wants to do nowadays is mistakenly list a repro as an original......the wrath from collectors is never ending if one does!! Just wondering what everyone thinks about this one. We have it listed now here: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180429067498_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180429067498) Bruce thinks it is probably a repro because several have recently surfaced, seemingly all from the same source.....but for now I respectfully disagree. Here is why I believe it is real: The paper is thin/consistent with the early 70's. (I did get in a few years ago 1000's of rolled one sheets from that era and this does indeed look and "feel" like those). It is full size 27x41. It does have that weird printing union logo LPIU on the bottom middle. It doesn't seem popular enough of a poster to reproduce in large numbers. For somebody to have just started reproducing them now all of a sudden doesn't seem likely (although anything is possible). Now....whether it is a re release from the late 70's???...I don't think so because it clearly says style C...........I don't think there would be several different style one sheets issued for a re release. To me, the best explanation is that somebody just uncovered a stash of them. I've seen that happen before with countless other titles. I'll pull it though if the tide changes and the evidence suggesting it is a repro becomes irrefutable.” Seems to me you have your answer. jim Check out our shop video _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tk&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tk&feature=related) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7E&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7E&feature=related) jim episale Unshredded Nostalgia 323 South main St. Route 9 Barnegat, N.J. 08005 800-872-9990 609-660-2626 "Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional." From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Lieberman Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:23 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] real Woodstock posters ?? Hi Kevin! Didn't mean to cause you to become "unsettled", but if you are....so be it. I really do think its authentic.......if I didn't, I wouldn't have started this topic on mopo in the first place and I would definitely not try to sell it. It is not in my nature to try and "pull one over" on someone.......I'm just not wired that way, despite what some of my critics like to say. I'm obviously not afraid of a little criticism and controversy......but honestly I see absolutely nothing wrong with trying to sell a poster if I truly believe it is authentic. one of the things no one has really addressed is the presence of the bottom credits, and how they differ completely from the photo style one sheet. Would a bootlegger/faker go to all that trouble to create his own style credits? Also note that there is no R ratings box on it and it has no nss paragraph or number. and Rich I luv ya but sheesh!!! enough about the vertigo poster already!....from day one, minute one I always said I thought it was faded....as soon as I saw it. Someone with more experience than me told me it might not be faded, that some were printed that color.....so I went with it.......fully describing that it may be faded...........but only after the uproar here I changed it to say it was definitely faded. David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. _Our Facebook Page_ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/CineMasterpieces/7735495839?v=wall) In a message dated 11/30/2009 11:33:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, treasur...@earthlink.net writes: "and again.....if any evidence surfaces proving it not to be authentic, I'll gladly pull it. Not a big deal" WOW! , Though I've only been on this list for a couple months (even though I've collecting and sold movie posters since 1980 while in the Navy) , this comment is truly unsettling. . I have always heard, on a more regular basis, unscrupulous autograph sellers , especially on eBay , say the same thing KNOWING the chances of an unsuspecting buyer/victim ever getting it authenticated is highly unlikely. And, 99.9% of the time such an inexperienced would NOT even know HOW to get it authenticated. . I am actually quite disappointed that there are "shady" sides of the movie poster industry that I've been , up until the last few months unaware of. Although I've seen these "rolled" posters advertised , my own opinion,was to not take them seriously. I even had a client ask me about them and advised him to stay way from them and ALL vintage "rolled" posters, not just from certain dealers. . The odds AGAINST their authenticity are just too overwhelming. And, I even advise such on my web site Kevin Conway -----Original Message----- From: David Lieberman Sent: Nov 30, 2009 12:54 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] real Woodstock posters healthy discussion! Thank you Andy Neal for the support. and thank you Ron Moore for your level headed opinion. and I really do appreciate the input from Kirby and Freeman. and Bruce, we aren't saying "theater used"......we are saying "for promotional display/use". and again.....if any evidence surfaces proving it not to be authentic, I'll gladly pull it. Not a big deal. If I didn't think it was real, I wouldn't try and sell it as real. Period. Anyone who thinks I would do otherwise is just flat out wrong. and wow.......gotta love the suspicious cynics......those who always think the worst. My bashers!!...."underhanded and unscrupulous"...ha!...those ryan boys (are they brothers james and rick?....makes sense if they are) really are a jealous pair aren't they? Creating lies about me to get his/their point across is just pathetic. The day I start worrying about anything he/they say will be the day he/they can sell a poster for more than 50 bucks. and there is NOT a lot of money at stake here for me. I stand to make about a hundred bucks (whoopeee!) if I sell this one...and again I don't expect to sell it...(I only have this one...no more). It was consigned to us by a long time client, a very advanced collector.....who also happens to think it is authentic. We only do on site consignment for items worth $500 or more, so we just agreed to do this one as a favor to him as he usually sends in very hi end items for consignment...not like this poster. and thank you for mentioning the child rearing ability of my father, whom I played golf with this past weekend. I'll forward the message to him as I know he will be amused that his parenting skills are being vilified on an internet message board by some anonymous bozo. and as for the infamous line in my listings: "These can be very difficult to find in any condition! A long time can go by without one of these coming up for sale" the only reason........and I really mean the ONLY reason that I still keep that in there is that I know it just irritates the hell out of those who hate me. :) David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. _Our Facebook Page_ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/CineMasterpieces/7735495839?v=wall) Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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