So, you take you're revenge by posting a private email to a public forum? What are we to do, play judge and jury because you're feelings got hurt, and rightfully so? Once again you talked about stuff that you did not know about, and you got smacked down. Why not just say "ah, sorry for the mistake" rather than try to defend a defenseless position.
Is Scott supposed to take some action against one who sent you a private email? This is the same crap you pulled against my friend Thierry. Since you brought this before the Mopo community, I hope the community realizes that you are immature to the extent that you take private correspondence and make it public just to balm your hurt feelings, Andy. Given that it seems you tend to step in the shit every time you talk, why not consider taking the advice given in the private email? Holiday On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Andy Neal wrote: > What is it with me? > > Well I don't like being told to fuck off for one > > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:02:20 -0400 > From: hollyr...@mac.com > Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > > What exactly is the appropriate action, Andy? Banning? Censorship? > > And, once again, you have taken a private email and posted it to a public > forum. > > What is it with you, Andy? > > Holiday Russell > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Andy Neal <andyan...@hotmail.com> > Date: March 22, 2010 8:49:31 AM EDT > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > Reply-To: Andy Neal <andyan...@hotmail.com> > > p.s - I hope Scott takes the appropiate action here. > > > From: andyan...@hotmail.com > To: mopo-l@listserv.american.edu > Subject: RE: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:48:41 +0000 > > I'm not disputing that, I was disputing it wasn't the only way to win. > > This is an intentional outing to show everyone how pathetic YOU are! > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:46:58 -0400 > > To: andyan...@hotmail.com > > From: post...@ureach.com > > Subject: Re: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > > > > You're a know-nothing ass. He won a gold bracelet at the World > > Series of Poker. Shut the fuck up, moron. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Get your own "800" number > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > > > ---- On , Andy Neal (andyan...@hotmail.com) wrote: > > > > Oh dear I've heard it all now, Well you were obviously never any > > good at it if that's what you truely > > think Bruce lol ;-) > > > > This kind of comment is exactly what I meant about egos. > > > > Anyway, not trying to start an argument, just an opinion as most > > things are. > > > > Kind Regards > > Andy Neal > > > > ________________________ > > > > On 2010-03-21 15:54:03 +0000 Bruce Hershenson wrote: > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > I played poker for a living for 10 years, with no other > > income, and I assure > > > you I know far more on this subject than you do! > > > > > > Way way more money has been won cheating at poker than has > > been won > > > honestly, and many of the world's most famous poker players > > were major > > > cheats, starting with Nick the Greek. Someday I might write a > > book on it. > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Andy Neal wrote: > > > > > >> Hmmm interesting to hear lots of mention about poker, bad > > analogy really > > >> brucie, to win the most at poker or be excellent at poker you > > have to know > > >> probabilities and be able to work them out in a heartbeat and > > you need to > > >> understand what outs you have as your going along, also > > bluffing and > > >> knowing > > >> when to bluff is adventageous. > > >> > > >> Just my opinion on the poker comment, the other stuff I > > couldn't care less > > >> about, mopo is getting FAR too egotistical these days, I > > can't wait for the > > >> recession to end. > > >> > > >> Andy > > >> > > >> ________________________ > > >> > > >> On 2010-03-21 13:07:01 +0000 Bruce Hershenson > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Thanks much David. You wrote an eloquent and spirited reply! > > >>> > > >>> Here's a further reply. I used to think great movie posters > > were vastly > > >>> undervalued, and I bought lots of them at then current > > prices. As prices > > >>> rose, many of them no longer seemed undervalued to me, and I > > sold most of > > >>> what I had bought, hanging onto my very favorites. Those > > three "This Gun > > >> For > > >>> Hires" were $2500 each, so my assessment was good on that > > example. > > >>> > > >>> Does a Metropolis insert seem undervalued to me at $47,000? > > No, but there > > >>> are likely many who feel otherwise, and I am happy they got > > a bargain, > > >> and I > > >>> hope for their sake these kinds of posters go the way of > > million dollar > > >>> comics, which I am sorry to say feels totally insane to me, > > a classic > > >>> "bubble".. > > >>> > > >>> *WHY* I shifted my business model is the same reason i quit > > playing > > >> poker. > > >>> To win the most at poker, you must find the absolute worst > > players you > > >> can, > > >>> and cheaters are rewarded (and the house often looks the > > other way on > > >>> cheating, because the cheaters "take care" of those running > > the game). I > > >> was > > >>> unwilling to continue playing on those terms, so I stopped > > playing > > >> entirely. > > >>> > > >>> When I first started high dollar auctions, I was "the only > > game in town". > > >> As > > >>> many others came along, and when I slowly saw that the > > majority of high > > >>> dollar auctions were much like high stakes poker (you do the > > best when > > >> you > > >>> find the absolute most uninformed buyers, and you use > > "clever" tricks to > > >> get > > >>> them to pay more, as with the 2001 re-release half-sheet), > > and cheaters > > >> are > > >>> rewarded (and I believe I have it made clear how this is) > > and since I > > >> knew I > > >>> was not willing to compete for consignments or bidders on > > those terms, I > > >>> quit high dollar auctions and shifted to my present model. > > >>> > > >>> The result is that, in addition to my earning a living and > > providing a > > >>> living for 25 employees, I feel that most of my 31,000 > > customers > > >> certainly > > >>> feel I have provided them with a very useful service, and I > > bet all of > > >> them > > >>> would say I treated them in an open and honest way, unusual > > for > > >> collectible > > >>> auctions. Most or all of my 500+ consignors would likely say > > I provided > > >> them > > >>> with a useful and valuable service, just as David did. > > >>> > > >>> There *ARE *those who keep stretching to find bad things to > > say about me, > > >>> but oddly they neither buy from me or sell through me, and > > many people > > >> have > > >>> privately guessed at their motivation, which seems painfully > > obvious. > > >>> > > >>> I have nothing against high dollar auctions or high stakes > > poker, when > > >> they > > >>> are 100% honestly run, and there is no deception involved. > > If I felt I > > >> could > > >>> successfully run such an auction today, I would be willing > > to try, but I > > >>> doubt I could get enough consignments on those terms, and I > > truly am > > >> happier > > >>> with my current business model. > > >>> > > >>> But as David said, I have "reinvented" myself several times > > over the > > >> years, > > >>> and there is no saying I won't do so one more time! > > >>> > > >>> Bruce > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, David Kusumoto > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> ** Speaking ONLY for myself, a contemplative confessional > > from Bruce > > >>>> about the shifts in his selling ideologies over the span of > > 20 years > > >> would > > >>>> only matter to dealers who compete against Bruce -- and > > would be of > > >> little > > >>>> interest to us collectors. It appears like an attempt to > > catch him in a > > >>>> contradiction when in fact we all undergo transformations > > and re-tooling > > >> to > > >>>> ensure self-preservation. I've written thousands of words > > about Bruce > > >> and > > >>>> his consignment model -- and each transformation or attempt > > at > > >>>> self-re-invention has been a success. The quantity vs. > > quality question > > >>>> seems a back-handed way of saying Bruce no longer sells > > quality and only > > >>>> sells mid-range-to-cruddy stuff at high volumes. This is > > not true from > > >>>> where I sit as a consumer. No, he might not have a > > Frankenstein > > >> one-sheet > > >>>> come his way very soon -- nor would he care to go back to > > the "showroom" > > >>>> model with high overheads -- but he has sold things like > > the "camel" > > >>>> poster from "Lawrence of Arabia" for more than $11K during > > the nadir of > > >> the > > >>>> recession, still a record for that title. There is no > > venue or business > > >>>> model he has not tried before settling into his current > > model, hence to > > >> me > > >>>> he speaks with experience and some authority. Of course > > he's not the > > >>>> FINAL authority, but he's credible. Bruce's churning > > methods and fast > > >> pace > > >>>> have conditioned thousands of collectors AND dealers > > throughout this > > >> small > > >>>> hobby -- many who continue to both BUY and CONSIGN to him > > -- to > > >> reflexively > > >>>> check his listings anyway, as regularly as one would brush > > their teeth. > > >>>> Any > > >>>> collector or dealer who chooses to ignore his listings > > makes a conscious > > >>>> choice to pass up a potential bargain. > > >>>> > > >>>> ** The most important issue to most of us is still full > > disclosure and > > >>>> quality service -- and not questions about why competing > > dealer "x" > > >> thought > > >>>> one way in 1990 and became "y" in 2000 and is now "z" in > > 2010, e.g., > > >> which > > >>>> to me, as it pertains to Bruce -- is an efficiently run > > factory > > >> operation > > >>>> moving a wide swath of material that's honestly graded for > > thousands of > > >>>> customers. If I ever want something akin to the Hope > > Diamond, I can > > >> always > > >>>> consult the Greys, the Seans, the Todds, the Freemans and > > the Walters > > >> and > > >>>> Kirbys and Sams, -- and even the Bruces, etc., etc., of the > > world. > > >> (Sorry > > >>>> if I left anyone out, I've bought from most everyone so > > it's hard to > > >>>> remember.) If I was a dealer, I wouldn't be surprised if > > all of the > > >>>> aforementioned names -- have shifted their ideologies about > > poster > > >> selling > > >>>> in conjunction with the universal acceptance of the > > Internet, and have > > >>>> subsequently found their niches or comfort zones -- and > > adjusted > > >>>> accordingly. Some of us still know where to go for certain > > things. -d. > > >>>> > > >>>> ===================== > > >>>> From: Sean Linkenback > > >>>> To: MOPO-L@listserv.american.edu > > >>>> > > >>>> Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > > >>>> Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:22:52 -0700 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Bruce, > > >>>> Could you share the story with us that led to your decision > > to change > > >>>> directions as it were in your poster selling philosophy? > > >>>> > > >>>> Certainly in the early days of your business you > > concentrated on > > >> catering > > >>>> to "investors" and/or "advanced collectors". Yes, you > > published your > > >> sales > > >>>> list, but your convention appearances and focus of course > > was on quality > > >>>> over quantity and in getting those high-dollar pieces for > > the early > > >>>> Christie's auctions and working to attract high-end > > collectors. I even > > >>>> remember reading a profile on poster investing with you in > > a Delta > > >> Skymiles > > >>>> Magazine, and you related a story where you met with Jose > > and wanted to > > >> buy > > >>>> all 3 copies of the one-sheet he had on "This Gun For > > Hire". > > >>>> > > >>>> What happened that made you do a change and decide to focus > > on quantity > > >>>> instead? > > >>>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > >>>> > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How > > >> to > > >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message > > addressed to: > > >>>> lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message > > type: > > >> SIGNOFF > > >>>> MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for > > its content. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > > www.filmfan.com > > >>> > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > >>> > > >>> Send a message addressed to: > > lists...@listserv.american.edu > > >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > >>> > > >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its > > content. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at > > www.filmfan.com > > >> > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > >> > > >> Send a message addressed to: > > lists...@listserv.american.edu > > >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > >> > > >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its > > content. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: > > lists...@listserv.american.edu > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its > > content. > > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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