Dima,
Here is the definition of libelous:
libelous - (used of statements) harmful and often untrue; tending to discredit
or malign.
Only in our sue happy cockeyed society do we always think about suing someone.
So no, I didn't think the resto people would sue you over you statements. And
sure, you didn't name one company or person, you lumped them all in one big
pile as being deceitful and hacks.
Since there are a number of companies/ people that do linen backing as members
on MOPO, it is interesting that none of them have objected to your statements.
John W
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From: Dima Ballin <bendingcae...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 7:12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen-backing versus Paper-backing
John,
"Unfortunately, people and companies who do linen backing have been selling
collectors a bill of goods for decades. Many of them learn their craft in a day
or so, then set up shop and start cranking away."
>
>What a libelous statement this is. This is a slap in the face of every
>competent company that does linen backing. I have many 1 sheets that are
>linen
>backed, some over 10 years old that look as good as the day I received them
>back
>after being backed.
>
>
Incorrect. There is nothing libelous about that statement. It would only be
libelous if I had named a specific person/company by name, AND if I
made false statements about that company which I could not back up in court
with
documented proof. Your use of "libelous" is inaccurate.
Furthermore, I speak from personal knowledge. I've seen, several times, how a
typical wet linen backing process is accomplished by these
"competent companies." It's very simple really. I could do it too, given the
right equipment. No real paper knowledge necessary. Why bother going through
years of training and apprenticeship that real paper conservators have to go
through. Why bother with all that? Why bother learning how cloth and
paper interact together, or how and why paper acidifies over time, or how it
produces off-gassing, etc? Not necessary. Just learn how to mount posters on
wet
canvas and crank them out.
Finally, 10 years is a short amount of time. If your posters are kept in a
fairly stable environment, you probably won't see any changes in them, unless
air bubbles form between the paper and canvas, which I've seen happen after
just
several months. The kind of degradation I am talking about takes place over at
least several decades or more. The real question is, why do you want to back
them at all. Is it to just be able to display them flat? If so, why not just
press them flat between a piece of museum rag and Plexiglas? Why bother
mounting
them at all? If the answer is "to preserve them for future generations" well
beyond your lifetime, then linen backing is one of the most destructive things
you could do to them. Again, don't take my word for it. Talk to any
professional
paper conservator.
SW
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>Subject: Re: [MOPO] Linen-backing versus Paper-backing
>
>Todd is quite correct. Linen and paper are two totally different materials.
>When
>you glue one to the other, over time, the stronger material will win out and
>ruin the weaker material. But rolling up posters on linen is only one part of
>the problem. The other part is that paper and canvas react differently to
>natural temperature and humidity changes. They expand and contract at
>different
>ratios. And since canvas is much stronger than paper, after some years, the
>paper will begin to crack and peel under the constant tension. The
>other source of tension is the fact that during the linen mounting process,
>the
>canvas is stretched tight on a frame and then allowed to dry. This builds
>tension right into the mounted piece. Even if it were then kept in perfectly
>stable atmospheric conditions, the original tension that was created by the
>stretching will eventually do the same thing to the paper. It takes years, but
>it does happen.
>
>S
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Todd A. Spoor <sp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>I would have to agree with Neil, hard stock posters do NOT perform as well
>over
>time when linen backed. My collection of over 300 30x40's and 40x60's have
>very
>few linen backed pieces some of which are pealing off from the linen from
>having
>been rolled too tightly over the years. I don't know if this is from certain
>restorers or across the board.
>>Todd Spoor
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>>Hi, Neil,
>>
>> I've always heard that one sheet-type stock posters (1-Sheets, 3-Sheets,
>>6-Sheets, Foreign 1-Sheets, etc) are best to be linen-backed, while heavier
>>stock posters (1/2 Sheets, Insets, 30x40's, 40x60's) and lobby cards are best
>>to
>>have paper-backed. At times, when I see that a 1/2 sheet, insert or 30x40
>>has
>>been linen-backed, it's kind of disturbing to me because I don't think the
>>seller will reach the piece's full potential in its sale. I think more
>>collectors/dealers who've been around awhile feel the same way. But, who
>>knows,
>>maybe my ideas are wrong in some dealers' eyes by today's standards...
>> Rick
>>
>>In a message dated 10/5/2010 8:28:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
>>hallo MOPOville
>>>
>>>
>>>I have a 90cm x 125cm german film poster from 1930 that needs backing. It's
>>>relatively solid, considering its age, but tending to brittle/split/crack
>>>along
>>>the folds and won't survive without mounting. What is the current thinking
>>>about linen versus paper for something like this? Does it matter that it's
>>>a
>>>european poster? I've seen a couple of references to paper-backing being
>>>preferable to linen recently, but am aware that this might not be correct.
>>>Does
>>>the size of this poster suggest that linen is the best way forward, even if
>>>it's
>>>going to be displayed immediately upon mounting? also, as there will be
>>>some
>>>fold-line and other restoration work, would a linen mount provide a better
>>>base?
>>>
>>>
>>>So many questions! Anyone have a view on this? Thanks in advance.
>>>Cheers
>>>Neil
>>>
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