So if that is NOT a 1949 original UK1SH for foreign distribution but
perhaps a 1955 first release foreign 1SH (and I am not saying one way or
another), it does lead down the dark path to the next most obvious
question: what are and what date are these sold by EMP
<http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/search/third%2520man/tag/nation%253AU.K./type/English%25201sh/style/R50s/archive.html>
and the same question for these ones sold by HA
<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=54+790+231+232&chkNotSold=1&Ne=230&Ntk=SI_Titles&Nty=1&Ntt=third+man+british+one+sheet>
(who have sold the /same/ poster both as an original 1949 and as an
R-50s) all of which look like poor quality productions of this BIDLL one
<http://bidll.com/Listing/Details/420722> and this EMP one
<http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/12681291.html> and
none include the printer's details nor the litho details etc etc.
I guess when Jeff you said "/More research should be done on this before
calling it a "for certain" '49 original release OS, one would think/" it
seems obvious the seller did /exactly/ that by and referred to the two
biggest databases around, taken the information as presented and
understandably has now put his piece up for auction based on all that
information.
Obviously there are a few stones to look under before we get there.
David
Jeff Potokar wrote on 21/06/2015 8:17 AM:
It does.
And Bruce may be mistaken, as well.
Jeff
On Jun 20, 2015, at 3:01 PM, David wrote:
Question to all...
Doesn't the BIDLL one look a whole lot like this 1949 version?
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/12681291.html
David
Wim Jansen wrote on 21/06/2015 5:07 AM:
Okay this is bugging me, I have done a quick reference search based
on pics of Heritage (nice details!) and Emovie (aaargh not enough
detail) of London Films productions from Imdb.
Here we go:
FALLEN IDOL 1948onesheetLondon Film logo, nothing on Lion
International Nottingham only
MAN BETWEEN 1953one sheetLondon Film logo, nothing on Lion
International printer not visible
CAPTAIN�S PARADISE 53 halfsheetLondon Film credits no logo, British
Lion logo (actual lion) Nott.ham only
HOBSON�s CHOIce 1954 one sheetLondon Film logo, nothing on Lion
Internationalprobably just Nottingham - unclear
BELLES OF ST.TRINIANS 1954 3sheet London Films International and
logoprinter not visible
RICHARD III1955onesheet �distribution controlled by London Films
International", no logo Nottingham and London
Kid FOR TWO FARTHINGS 1955 one sheet London Film logoNott.ham and
London
IRON PETTICOAT1956 six sheetLion International, no London
Filmprinter not visible
I think I have solid ground for my position that it�s a rerelease,
I�d say after 1955. There�s a book on the history of the Stafford
Company by a local heritage writer, but there�s not a copy available
on the net. Grrr, I want that. However I would not be at all
surprised the Biddll one is printed in London in late 1955 the earliest.
Wim
Op 20 jun. 2015, om 20:22 heeft Jeff Potokar <jpotok...@ca.rr.com
<mailto:jpotok...@ca.rr.com>> het volgende geschreven:
From the British Lion website. A brief history of the company, also
mentioning that BL became a distribution company in 1955, after it
fell into receivership.
http://www.britishlion.com/british-lion-history.shtml
Jeff
On Jun 20, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Wim Jansen wrote:
I disagree, I think the absence off the London Film logo is pretty
crucial. Anyway I�m gonna find my Carol Reed book, maybe that has
some more details on the release schedule, probably not though.
Looking at the re-release posters on Heritage and emovie I�m
wondering how sure are we that those are not international
releases and the Biddl one is the real English rerelease. That
would also explain the differences in the printer information.
W
Op 20 jun. 2015, om 19:49 heeft Simon Oram
<fab5fre...@btinternet.com <mailto:fab5fre...@btinternet.com>> het
volgende geschreven:
I'm more in the thinking that it's a International UK 1 sheet for
the first release in one of the colonies. Due to its obvious
closeness and decent printing standard it's very close to the
original release date. David said that The Third Man was released
in Australia March 1950. OK the poster is in New Zealand but I
think with that sort of info that sways me into thinking that way.
Simon
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The unfavourable scenario (presumably no one is thinking fake),
is that it could be an International RR?
(Prior to that horrible "RR" which is based on it. I think based
on the actual printed poster, and no connection to original plates.)
Would they bother doing it for International RR? Especially with
decent quality printing, (as good as the domestic).
Everything points to it being contemporary to the domestic
printed version, and any variances between the posters make sense.
One print run for domestic version, one run for international.
Whether done at the same branch of the printers or not.
A different version would require a different set of plates to be
made up, hence any minor differences with illustration along with
required changes. (?)
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On 20 Jun 2015, at 16:40, Paul Gerrard
<00000060c3f9be9c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu
<mailto:00000060c3f9be9c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>> wrote:
Different companies! Eagle-Lion was Rank as you correctly say;
but Lion International was part of London Films/British Lion.
It's just that we can't be 100% sure when Lion International
started...
Paul
www.movieposterstudio.com <http://www.movieposterstudio.com/>
In a message dated 20/06/2015 15:19:47 GMT Daylight Time,
fab5fre...@btinternet.com <mailto:fab5fre...@btinternet.com> writes:
Hi David,
I would presume Lion International was part of Eagle-Lion
owned by J. Arthur Rank. Eagle Lion were founded in 1946.
This is interesting from Wikipedia, especially the last part
�From 1946-1949 Eagle-Lion was under the control ofArthur
Krim <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Krim>who in
addition to releasing films by Rank and_reissues of__David
O. Selznick_
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Selznick>_films�._
Obviously I�m not saying the poster on Bidll is definitely a
reissue/re-release but I think it would be worth checking on
more.
Regards Simon
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