JTK wrote:
> > The only way to "bypass" this
> >is not a bypass at all.
> Exactly my point.
Then why are you bitching?
> And that "recoding" could be a simple Javascript program or Perl program or
> hell probably just a few regex's, one for each service. You seem to have no
> problem interpreting the entire Maozilla GUI from ASCII text, why do you balk
> when such scripting functionality could actually serve a useful purpose?
It's far from simple. I guarantee you every time the webmail providers saw the
script they'd change the page underneath just enough to fsck things up. It's
just not a feasible thing to do. If you disagree, and say it's so simple, why
don't you do it, and submit it?
> It is, and it'd therefore be quite simple for the client to behave the right
> way so that the server cannot tell the difference.
I thought I just went over why this is NOT simple?
< checks his last post >
Yeah, I did.
> What's the difference between me typing this into this browser window, and
> having a newsgroup reader which new how to send the same HTTP do it? None.
Wrong again. Please reread the paragraph I wrote to see why it is NOT easy to
fool the server. Especially since they have the ability to change authentication
on an almost CONSTANT basis, yet totally transparent to the user.
> > Mozilla.org is run by the "drivers" and "staff" which is comprised of
> > volunteers. Some of them work for Netscape,
> What percentages? And what's the heirarchy?
+50% are non Netscape. Beyond that percentage, I never bothered to look. The
hierarchy is Staff/Drivers, Module Owners, CVS Rights, Bugzilla Rights, Everyone
else, IIRC.
> >This is why I find that you are willfully ignorant. This is a fact.
> OF COURSE IT'S FACT! But this fact doesn't make a very good excuse for why
> there isn't an AIM client in Maozilla.
Someone else posted how they are currently MAKING one. Maybe by 1.0 time it will
be in Mozilla. Aside from that, AIM is an AOL property. Rather than including a
component that is beholden to ONE corporate entity, Mozilla has chosen to
support IRC instead, something no single corporation runs, and thus keeping
Mozilla neutral. Frankly, I don't WANT an AIM client in Mozilla. If you do, go
get Jabberzilla.
> A fact used by an apologist to attempt to excuse the fact that AOL runs the
> show. Hence 'apoligistic'.
But it is not apologetic when the statement is then used to show how that makes
it detrimental to making an AIM 'compatible' IM program. They control the gates,
and thus control who gets access. Without either getting prior approval from
them (thus making Mozilla dependent upon AOL's Powers That Be, which is
something I'm not going to see happen quietly), or somehow coming up with a
method of fooling their servers 100% of the time (impossible without embedding
the actual AOL client itself, thus breaking copyright law) it just can't be made
reliable.
> > Simply look to the fact that clients like MSN Messenger and Yahoo!
> > Messenger are cut off, while clients like GAIM are not.
> Exactly, and then shift your gaze to who's running things in Maozillaland.
> Follow the money.
AOL is not running Mozilla. Sorry. They're benefiting from it, but not running
it. GAIM is not part of Mozilla, it is an open source Linux AIM client made by
the general Linux community. Since GAIM has no corporate entity (and thus
competition) behind it, AOL does not see it as a threat, and does not actively
try to break it (it still gets broken sometimes, but it usually fixed hours
later). There is the strong possibility that if an AIM compatible client is
included in Mozilla (and thus could be included in a competitor's product, thus
making AOL serve a competitor's customers on AOL's dime) AOL will change their
server authentication, and break the client. Then we'll have a top notch browser
with a useless IM client. What's the point?
If you really want an AIM client in Mozilla, either go grab the NIM.xpi from
Netscape, or Jabberzilla.
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