Wizard & Russ - I've seen the info piece that the Minneapolis Public Library
will soon send out. According to it, the tax bite from years 5-30 (when the
tax is on fully) is the following:
Ward 8 Median Home Value: $87,000 Tax: $49.34 per year (Wizard's ward, I
think)
Ward 9 Median Home Value: $89,000 Tax: $50.47 per year (Russ's ward)
Ward 10 Median Home Value: $139,000 Tax: $78.82 per year (my ward)
..and of course, as assessments rise, you may reach the levels of these
wards:
Ward 13 Median Home Value: $171,000 Tax: $96.97 per year
Ward 7 Median Home Value: $273,000 Tax: $154.81 per year
By the way, the Rich Ward rankings:
Ward 7: $273,000
Ward 13: $171,000
Ward 11: $143,500
Ward 10: $139,000
Ward 2: $118,500
Ward 1: $104,000
Ward 12: $103,000
Ward 9: $89,000
Ward 8: $87,000
Ward 4: $75,500
Ward 3: $67,000
Ward 5: $66,000
Ward 6: $56,500 (where the median home will pay $32 per year for the library
initiative)
David Brauer
King Field - Ward 10 - We're #4!
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of wizardmarks
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 8:54 AM
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Subject: Re: library referendum
I hope someone can answer Russell Peterson's first question, I'd like to
know the tax
bite from building the new library.
As to his second question, the notion of merging Hennepin County and
Minneapolis
Public libraries has been discussed for years. The conclusion seems to be
that
Minneapolis libraries would lose big in a merger and the resources would be
concentrated out in the county. I tend to agree with that judgment.
Wizard Marks, Central
Russell Wayne Peterson wrote:
> I have two questions:
> 1 How much will the new Library cost each taxpayer in Minneapolis
including
> the interest on the bonds per year and for how many years?
> 2 Has the idea of merging libraries to create a metropolitan library
system
> been discussed? Any pros or cons?
>
> Russell W. Peterson
> Ward 9
> Standish
>
> R U S S E L L P E T E R S O N D E S I G N
> "You can only fly if you stretch your wings."
>
> 3857 23rd Avenue South
> Minneapolis, MN 55407
>
> 612-724-2331
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>
> Russell W. Peterson, RA, CID
> Founder
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Driscoll
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:21 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: library referendum - Swan/Taxes/etc
>
> Carol Becker makes the case for the referendum solely by her first point -
> where was my friend, Wally Swan, when his constituents were backing the
> bonds for private corporations and millionaire business and sports owners?
> Wally's credibility suffers severely under the strain of these comparative
> tirades, but the library is the business and the pleasure of the people,
and
> one can surmise all one wishes over the role corporations play in the
> library system. At bottom - it's a public, a people's institution, worthy
of
> centennial improvement and upgrading.
>
> The issues David raises are important they make eminent sense - follow
the
> money, of course - but his concerns not enough to scuttle the building of
a
> new library. I've used the Minneapolis Library. And you can feel the
squeeze
> just walking in.
>
> Downtown? It's central, pure and simple. I'm getting very tired of these
> tribal arguments between advocates of a central district and outlying
> neighborhoods as if these entities are not interdependent for the vitality
> of an urban core. Get with it, people, this is divisive and unproductive
and
> just the thing king/queen-makers love to see - communities torn asunder by
> their biases.
>
> Of course the main library should be built and built downtown. It is as
> important - perhaps more so - than much of this drive toward corporate
> welfare, proven by experience everywhere in this nation to have backfired
> almost every time when the promises are compared with the reality of the
> subsidy.
>
> On these issues alone should the referendum pass, albeit overlaid with
more
> wisdom, perhaps, in the site selection and ancillary (hidden?) costs
> addressed.
>
> Andy Driscoll
> --
> "Whatever keeps you from your work is your work."
> Albert
Camus
> The Driscoll Group/Communications
> Writing/Graphics/Strategic Development
> 1595 Selby Ave./Suite 206
> St. Paul, MN 55104
> 651-649-1188/Fax:651-645-3169
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> http://www.driscollgroup.com
>
> > From: "Carol Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:13:31 -0500
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: library referendum - Swan/Taxes/etc
> >
> > Let's see if I can respond to some of the issues that folks have brought
> up
> > regarding the library referendum.
> >
> > 1) Wally Swan's letter: My basic beef with Mr. Swan's letter is that he
> > wasn't writing letters when it came to so many other projects which used
> > money from our tax base. He didn't write a letter over the Block E TIF
> > deal. He didn't write a letter over the Target Store and Target Tower
> deal.
> > He didn't write a letter over the Schubert deal. He didn't write a
letter
> > about the Target Center deal. All these deals and silence. The deal
that
> > was cut for the Parks will cost twice as much as the library referendum
> and
> > he didn't write a letter on that. But when it comes down to the
> Libraries,
> > something that is for the people directly, he writes a letter to the
> editor.
> > If Mr. Swan feels that this project is too much, where was he when all
> these
> > other deals were being
> > done? Why hasn't he been raising a ruckus all along? If he felt so
> > strongly about the budget, why wasn't he writing letters to the editor
on
> > the past several budgets? 75% of households used the libraries last
year.
> > Why should library users (i.e. most of us) be hurt because of all these
> past
> > deals?
> >
> > 2) Taxes shifting to residential properties: Taxes *are* shifting to
> > residential properties. This isn't the fault of the libraries. In
fact,
> it
> > isn't the fault of any local official. It is the fault of the
> Legislature.
> > Tricky, eh? The Legislature sets up the property tax system and the
local
> > governments have to play with the rules that the Legislature sets up.
And
> > over the last five years or so, the Legislature has dramatically shifted
> the
> > costs of property taxes off commercial/industrial, high-end residential,
> and
> > rental property in the name of property tax reform. Squarely onto you
and
> > I, the middle class taxpayer. Right at a time when our valuations are
> also
> > increasing. The people to be angry with are not the local officials.
If
> > the referendum would have been paid for like all other taxes, the costs
to
> > residents would probably been half or less (I haven't been able to get
the
> > City Finance folks to run the numbers). Again, because the Legislature
has
> > been messing with the tax system, increasing middle class taxes, why
> should
> > the libraries suffer? I appreciate that citizens are angry about this,
> (as
> > am I) but the appropriate tool is to vote out your legislator who has
been
> > doing this, not voting out the needed library improvements.
> >
> > 3) Why do we need a downtown library at all and how is it good for the
> > neighborhoods? The downtown library is much much more than just an
> > overgrown business library. There is a synergy between the branches and
> the
> > downtown library, one needing the other.
> >
> > The downtown library houses all the books that can't fit in the branch
> > libraries. This includes both general books and the special collections
> > that Ms. Marks refers to. Ms. Marks makes a strong argument for the
need
> > for special collections but it isn't practical to house those in
branches.
> > You need a central library to house those books. Unfortunately, the
> > downtown library is full. It was designed to hold 1.6 million books
and
> > now holds 2.5 million. Librarians throw out books when they buy new
ones
> > because there is no place to store them. That weakens the branches as
> well
> > because the branches don't have access to those books once they are gone
> > either.
> >
> > As to why it is downtown? Simple. Transit. Libraries are for the
people
> > and no place is more accessible to everyone than the downtown. The
> business
> > community that uses the central library could get to the library
wherever
> it
> > is. It is other folks who need access that a downtown location
requires.
> > And yes, one of the critical elements of the new design is parking so
> folks
> > don't just have to ride the bus to get to the library.
> >
> > It is hard to imagine with the dump that we have today what the downtown
> > library could be. A destination to take our kids on a Saturday. A
place
> to
> > spend an evening, browsing and finding wonderful things. A place to
help
> > our kids learn. A place for people who cannot afford a computer to
access
> > the information highway. A place that doesn't exist now. But a place
> that
> > could exist.
> >
> > 4) Why do we need better branch libraries? Several people mentioned the
> > need for computer access. Currently most libraries are not wired nor
have
> > the space to meet demand for computer access. I was at East Lake on
> > Saturday and every computer was full. With a waiting list. In fact,
one
> > parent had fallen asleep waiting for her kid's turn on the computers.
75%
> > of our kids are on free or reduced lunches. These parents are not going
> to
> > be able to afford computers for their kids. Where do they turn? The
> > libraries. Everyone should have access to electronic information.
> >
> > Ms. Marks also talks about the need for more diversity of books in the
> > branch libraries. Most of the branch libraries are at capacity.
Without
> > expansion, where do you put these books? It is a simple question of
> space.
> >
> >
> > Libraries are for the people. By supporting them, we are supporting us.
> >
> > Carol Becker
> > Longfellow
> > Treasurer, Citizens for Minneapolis Public Libraries
> >
> >
> >
