----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ----- Von: Matthias Andree Gesendet am: 29 Nov 2010 12:15:21
> The list is driven by Mailman, so you can subscribe with all your > accounts that you need to post from and set all but one to "nomail" > mode, i. e. you can post because you're subscribed, but you don't > receive copies. Interesting. How does one know this if he's not the list maintainer? And how does this work? I'm sure there is a howto somewhere and if you know 'how to' you'll find the howto. :) > Your webmailer should offer the opportunity to save local copies > anyways, such as Auto-Bcc, sent folders, or thereabouts. Yes. The webmailer. Then the copies are in a private folder of the mailer, and not where they are on my main system. Anyway, as I said before, there i sno sense in forcing people to rearrange their organisation to fit this group. As the reuired reorganisation needed of a different group may be incompatible, leaving people to decide to use one of them but not both. That's surely not the intention of a mailing list. Also, why keeping a copy in sent when the mail already bounces back through the list (unless it is rejected)? I'm sure there are many people who see it the same. Yet since they'll never appear here, you'll never know of them and therefore you might think there are none. :) > Your messages don't usually appear threaded but start new threads. This > is a nuisance. Hmm, well, I didn't know and will look into this, but I doubt there's anything I can do. The mailing program I usually use is a portable low-footprint program that does not mess with the inbox unless I explicitely tell it so. It's a but like the old Windows Messaging 2.0. Download of headers only, unless you click on a mail and so on. I got it from my hoster and I'm happy with it for ten years now (with updates, of course). Small, fast, portable, useful. And it normally does its job. > It is your responsibility to keep track of your accounts. I didn't say otherwise. I just said that it is nice to at least see a copy of the mail that was rejected. Or have the mail forwarded anyway if the content fits the group. > If it gets bounced in the (nowadays) usual way, that means without an > unquoted copy of the original mail text, > the mail is lost. This is rather uncommon. It WAS uncommon. I guess that many mail manager have move to not quote the original content because of the high percentage of spam and (possible but yet undetected) virus mails in the number of rejected mails. >> Forcing people to register to the mailing list will repel all people who >> want to use mspgcc and have a question, >> but don't want to marry the list. >But that's exactly what keeps quality reasonable. Anonymous posting >allows for random ranting, and random half-wisdom spread around, and >it's - for the list regulars - a major effort to get that overcome. No. IMHO, it increases the percentage of people who need assistance and therefore have to subscribe, by filtering out a large number of those who could provide assistance 'on-the-fly' but won't due to the registration effort. >> 2) While I completely undestand why you want this, it also exposes a >> problem. Those systems are there not for fun or >> to make your life more difficult, but (usually) in a deliberate attempt to >> fight spam. (even if some abuse the mechanism >> for their own marketing). Their number is increasing. >> Generally forbidding those behind such a system access to the mailing list >> is like asking people to turn off their virus scanner >> before accessing your web site or something similar. >Not at all. It exposes several technical problems of these "anti-spam" >systems. So you want to punish people because their provider uses a system you don't like? >> Isn't a filter on the mailing list side the better solution? >No need. Just because some technical systems offered to users haven't >arrived in the 21st century yet doesn't mean that list operators and >users with modern software should jump hoops or put up with antediluvian >habits. Well, push the task of doing technical adjustments to users who are often unskilled inthis area or have no influence on it, to keep work from the skilled operator. Great approach. I have a better idea (just to be the advocatus diaboli): Close the list. It reduces the effort to zero, removes all problems with mailing systems which do not apply to your standards and generally frees much of your time. Isn't this a great idea? And really simple to do. >> Yes, things are getting more and more complicated, and maintaining a list >> sometimes is hard work. A work I really appreciate. >> But a list that forbids almost everything is pretty much useless. > It allows plain text posting by subscribers, so what's the point? Plain text posting is a technique from the last milennium and neither up-to-date nor commonly available unless you're system administrator and deliberately configure your system against the default. Count how many people are doing plain tex tposting in this group. You and me and who else? The rest is using mime-encoded, double-mime-encoded, Base64 encoding and others. Well I live with computers longer as most today 'experts' live on earth. I can live with most (I'm flexible) and I can even live without. Others maybe can't. JMGross. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App & Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base & get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. 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