On 2010-11-30, JMGross <[email protected]> wrote:
> ----- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht -----
> Von: Matthias Andree
> Gesendet am: 29 Nov 2010 12:15:21
>
>> The list is driven by Mailman, so you can subscribe with all your
>> accounts that you need to post from and set all but one to "nomail"
>> mode, i. e. you can post because you're subscribed, but you don't
>> receive copies.
>
> Interesting. How does one know this if he's not the list maintainer?

You point a browser at the link in the header of every message:

  https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mspgcc-users

Or you send a message to the "help" address that's in the headers of
every message:

  mailto:[email protected]?subject=help

> And how does this work? I'm sure there is a howto somewhere and if
> you know 'how to' you'll find the howto. :)

It's all in the headers.  All mailing lists put everything you need to
know to subscribe, unsubscribe, or adjust your settings in the headers
of every message.

>> Your webmailer should offer the opportunity to save local copies
>> anyways, such as Auto-Bcc, sent folders, or thereabouts.
>
> Yes. The webmailer. Then the copies are in a private folder of the
> mailer, and not where they are on my main system. Anyway, as I said
> before, there i sno sense in forcing people to rearrange their
> organisation to fit this group. As the reuired reorganisation needed
> of a different group may be incompatible, leaving people to decide to
> use one of them but not both. That's surely not the intention of a
> mailing list.

I'm not sure what you're saying in that paragraph.  The proposed
changes for this list will make it the same as many, many other lists.

If your mail client is so bad, perhaps you'd be better off reading the
list via gmane.org:

  http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.texas-instruments.msp430.gcc.user

Personally, I use a news client and point it at gmane's NNTP server.
  
> Also, why keeping a copy in sent when the mail already bounces back
> through the list (unless it is rejected)?

"Bounce" means something very specific in the context of e-mail and
mailing lists.  I don't think you mean "bounce".

> I'm sure there are many people who see it the same. Yet since they'll
> never appear here, you'll never know of them and therefore you might
> think there are none. :)
>
>> Your messages don't usually appear threaded but start new threads. 
>> This is a nuisance.
>
> Hmm, well, I didn't know and will look into this, but I doubt there's 
> anything I can do.

Yes there is:

 1) Use a working mail client (web-based or otherwise).  Gmail works fine.

 2) Use the web UI at gmane.org.

 3) Use an NNTP client pointed to gmane.org's NNTP server.

> The mailing program I usually use is a portable low-footprint program
> that does not mess with the inbox unless I explicitely tell it so.

The mailing program you usually use is broken.

> It's a but like the old Windows Messaging 2.0. Download of headers
> only, unless you click on a mail and so on. I got it from my hoster
> and I'm happy with it for ten years now (with updates, of course).
> Small, fast, portable, useful. And it normally does its job.

Except it seems to be broken in several respects, or you wouldn't be
breaking thread nor complaining now about how your mail client works
with mailing lists who require posters to subscribe.

>> It allows plain text posting by subscribers, so what's the point?
>
> Plain text posting is a technique from the last milennium and neither
> up-to-date nor commonly available unless you're system administrator
> and deliberately configure your system against the default.

Whatever.

Feel free to start your own mailing list.

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