Since everybody (but me) seems to be comfortable with the fuzziness of the
"wrote" concept, I will not block the process, even If the checkbox button
or drop-down menu solution (as suggested by Per and Alex) would be a much
more elegant (and less error-prone) solution.
As for the example I still think it should be changed: In the case of "She
loves you" it is actually known (from the artists themselves as quoted on
wikipedia) who composed (both!) and who wrote the lyrics (both!) and thus,
following the guidelines: ("It is known whether the artist was responsible
for the lyrics and/or the music") the "wrote"-AR should not be used here. I
can't find a better example – and don't have the time to search for one
right now.
Chris
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Jeroen Latour <t...@jeroen.la> wrote:
> Thanks Brian, I changed both lines.
>
> SwissChris, do you agree with Paul's comments about erring on the side of a
> more general AR? Would you still like to propose a different example?
>
> Are there any objections to moving this to RFV?
>
> Regards,
> Jeroen
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Brian Schweitzer <
> brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wonder about "It is well-known whether the artist was responsible for
>> the lyrics and/or the music." Most ARs aren't 'well-known'. I'd suggest
>> dropping "well-"; it's confusing, and I think unneeded - the only
>> requirement ought to be that the info is known at all, not how well known it
>> is.
>>
>> Also, I question the need for "In case of writing collaborations (e.g.
>> 'Lennon/McCartney'), the track must be linked to each writer separately, not
>> to the collaboration artist." This is true of ARs anyhow, and those
>> workaround collab artists such as you're describing will be going away with
>> NGS anyhow, so this text will become out of date. I'd suggest simply
>> removing that sentence; you don't gain anything from it.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Jeroen Latour <t...@jeroen.la> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Per Øyvind Øygard <per...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:13:35 +0200, Jeroen Latour <t...@jeroen.la>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > A while back, there was a RFC to add a Writer Relationship Type to
>>>> credit
>>>> > songwriters. That RFC was unfortunately abandoned, but I found it when
>>>> I
>>>> > was
>>>> > wondering about what to do with 'Written By' credits on Discogs. In
>>>> many
>>>> > cases, it's not clear whether that applies to music, or lyrics. Two
>>>> > people
>>>> > might be credited as writers, with one writing the music and the other
>>>> > the
>>>> > lyrics. The same problem occurs with interpreting 'Writer' credits on
>>>> > liner
>>>> > notes.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> You should probably add some examples to clarify though. I would also
>>>> point out that composer/lyricist should always be used when it can be
>>>> clearly inferred, as in the case of an instrumental track (clearly just
>>>> composer), or singer-songwriter with just one writer (clearly composer
>>>> and
>>>> lyricist).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have updated the proposal to include the feedback from Per and
>>> SwissChris. It now has an expanded style section, with a clear list of cases
>>> in which the Writer type should not be used, and an example of proper usage.
>>> I don't see any way to provide negative examples within the relationship
>>> template. If anyone feels specific negative examples are necessary, I would
>>> appreciate suggestions for how that should be incorporated into the page.
>>>
>>> The way I envision it, the existing composer and lyricist relationship
>>> types stay as they are. However, they should be moved to have 'Writer' as a
>>> parent, to make it clear that Writer is a generic form of the two.
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't think it's wise to convert the two into tickable
>>> modifiers, as jacobbrett proposed. With tickable modifiers, it is no longer
>>> possible to express that an artist wrote the music, and 'additionally' wrote
>>> the lyrics. jacobbret, please let me know if I misunderstood your
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> The updated proposal is available at:
>>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Writer_Relationship_Type
>>> Nikki, the 3rd of October has passed, but I think this needs a little
>>> more time for people to review. Barring any major objections, I would
>>> propose: October 8.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jeroen
>>>
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