On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, practik <kronp...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Philip Jägenstedt wrote >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:56 PM, monxton wrote: >>> In any case, a work-work relationship gives more information, because it >>> tells you which of Beethoven's works is quoted. This is much more useful >>> than just setting Beethoven as the composer. >> >> If we can agree on the work-work AR perhaps the rest will fall into >> place, but how broad should it be. The wording I used in the >> annotations was "includes elements of" and "incorporates part of". I >> suppose that the AR we invent should also be used for Beethoven's >> variations of Mozart compositions, how would someone with a clue about >> classical phrase the relationship between two such works? >> > > I've had the idea of such a work-work relationship on my AR wish list for a > while now. A pretty common term I've seen in the classical context is > "quotation,"* but I personally would prefer to see us use a broader term lke > "adaptation." To me, quotation implies a "straight" reproduction of a > section of the original work, without changing it, but I feel like lyricists > and composers often rework the original material, at least in the pop > context. > > An example: The line "And everything depends upon how near you sleep to > me," from Leonard Cohen's song "Take This Longing," is quoted in "Hand in > Glove" by The Smiths, except the word "sleep" is replaced by "stand." It's > not quotation in the strictest sense of the word, but it's still clearly a > reference to Cohen. Semantically, "adaptation" would encompass this sort of > thing nicely. > > And in fact, we have a suggested phrasing for such a relationship, courtesy > of caller#6: "[work] includes [lyrics|music] adapted from [work]".** > > As for how broad to make it, I'd suggest using it only for works that > incorporate parts of other works, and not for works that are themselves > adaptations of other works, since we can use the "version of" relationship > for that. And I'd say we shouldn't use it for medleys, although it would > technically apply to them, since we have the work-work medley relationship > for those. > > Patrick > > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_quotation > ** See http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17141710 for context.
"[work] includes [lyrics|music] adapted from [work]" sounds good to me, at least it would work in the cases that I have encountered. Are you interested in pursuing an RFC/RFV for this? -- Philip Jägenstedt _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
