Dominik -- ...and then Dominik Vogt said... % % On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 09:18:21PM -0500, David T-G wrote: % > One thing I didn't see revisited was your subscription problem. Are you % > now subscribed? Do you want to be? % % I've figured it out now. Worked fine from the new address.
Yay!
%
% > When you bounce a message, mutt takes the message as it was received by
% > you and hands it back to sendmail with a new addressee so that sendmail
% > can put it on its way. This is just like a .forward file in that sense
% > (though it's done manually, of course); nothing in the message envelope
% > is changed, and new headers are added.
%
% So, does mutt add a Resent-To: header or does it not? If it does,
% there is evidence that this does not work sometimes. I'm trying
% to lay my hands on such a message.
AFAIK it does, but see the explanations on envelopes and headers in a
sub-thread for more info; they speak from knowledge whereas I speak from
"gee, I think it works that way" :-)
%
% > When you resend a message, all of the transit-related headers (Received:)
...
% > with the Message-ID: regenerated on your system, too.
%
% Does that mean that mutt won't be able to sort it into the correct
% thread?
I don't think the References: are tossed, but it's a new message and so
it should get a new Message-ID: and so it changes.
%
...
% > What is it that you used to do, and what is it that you really want to
% > do?
%
% I used to bounce mails and I want to bounce mails. Not that I
OK.
% care what actually happens with the mail, but bouncing a message
% requires two keystrokes (<b> <type new address> <ret>) while
Yep.
% resending requires 12 (<esc><e> <:> <w> <q> <ret> <t> <ctrl><a>
% <k> <type new address> <ret> y). Hm, can I pass keystrokes into
% vi with a macro? But at the moment it doesn't look like I can
There are lots of ways to handle that. You could set your editor to
something else (/bin/true) for the moment. You could still use vi but
temporarily change $editor to "vi +wq %s" or the like to automatically
save and exit. You could use the recent patch that lets you define an
esc-e editor separate from your regular editor so you don't have to muck
with temporarily changing things at all.
% continue to use 'bounce' since the list of Received: headers is
% getting too long with this mail server.
That's really odd. Your mail server should let a message go through a
million hops if it has to. What about the [admittedly absurd] case of
someone at the tail of a long UUCP connection because he doesn't have
access to a real ISP yet? What about the [slightly less] absurd case of
mail out of a company that allows SMTP mail but strictly enforces some
sort of heirarchical mail server path to better track down offenders?
%
% > You sound as though you've been doing this for a while, so please
% > forgive the basic level of my explanations and questions,
%
% No offense taken. I try to avoid fiddling with the mail system as
% much as possible, so my knowledge of how mail transport works
% exactly is limited.
Fair enough :-)
%
% > but 'b'ouncing
% > hasn't changed since I met mutt at 0.88 and I can't imagine, particularly
% > since it also works the same way in elm, that it was *ever* any different.
%
% Well, I belive you. What else could have changed to cause my
% troubles?
Sounds like your mail server (the easy answer, of course!).
%
% BTW, I'd like to setup my mail system to send external mails over
% a different server than internal ones (because our servers are
% blacklisted). What mailer would you recommend (exim, sendmail,
% postfix, ...?) I'm currently using exim.
I'm a qmail guy, but all of them have their fans right here on this
list. I think the topic has come up a couple of times somewhat
recently; you might check the archives for various pros and cons.
I do know that qmail is extremely {capable,small,fast,secure}, but
can also be extremely challenging to get to know.
%
% Bye
%
% Dominik ^_^ ^_^
%
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% Schlund + Partner AG, Erbprinzenstr. 4-12, D-76133 Karlsruhe
HTH & HAND
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