Sure, I forgot the attachment: messages-161001-firefox-mutt-postfix.txt.gz JCB, pls. read the previous message carefully!
On 161003-17:26+0200, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > Hi! > > I'll go from: > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/mutt/lurker/message/20160918.203452.32d635ea.en.html > which is: > 20160918203452.GA30793@g0n.xdwgr in subscribers' mutt archive [*] > > I'll go from there simply because this topic should build just a little from > there, and because I'm gasping for freedom (can't articulate this fully, but > exactly the new reduced-to-my-participation Mutt archive over at those pages > of mine is where my meaning, to really careful, and clever, and attentive, > reader already can be clear). > > I'm very conservative, because I hate exploits on my system. In a system > without hidious systemd and its accomodators and associates (dbus, *kits, > pulse et al.), there is much less room for exploits, and among the distros, > Gentoo allows me to have a sans-dbus sans-systemd system fully deployed with > all that I need. Mutt, Postfix (for sending only, still), Getmail and Maildop > will never depend on those sans-unix idiocies financed by one-ring cravers > behind big world subjects' façades, and neither will Firefox, Wireshark, > LibreOffice, Vlc, Mplayer, FFmpeg, Inkscape, Gimp, Pari, Vdr (I hope) and > other programs that I use/need ever depend on those... And grsecurity/PaX I > hope won't ever go fully commercial, as that would mark the beginning of the > true death for FOSS GNU/Linux. (I'll try and call attention to this thought of > mine at Grsecurity Forums.) > > For my strong privacy-wise attitude (the above paragraph is all indirectly > about > privacy, simply because there is no privacy without security, and there is > absolutely no certain and comfortable prospect of security with those exploit > introducers that ban unix simplicity, starting from the PID 1 stupidity of > systemd and all the way through the rest of poetterware)... > > For my strong privacy-wise attitude I am prepared to compromise a little > comfort. So while it was no big deal for me always having to download raw mail > first to be able to reply to it or inspect it, as many of us participants in > the thread that started at: > 20160918045359.GN31239@g0n.xdwgrp (in your Mutt (maildir) folder) > [*] > or from the web: > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/mutt/lurker/message/20160918.051503.664b40a1.en.html > ( > Alas! on the web, unlike in Mutt's folder --where it didn't break--, the > thread was broken and new started by Ian Zimmerman's message: > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/mutt/lurker/message/20160918.062133.c2dea122.en.html > but then it's a beauty to see how it all fits for analysis: > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/mutt/lurker/thread/20160923.090504.1d9a912e.en.html > Only threading in Mutt is superior to Lurker's! Or is Mailman 3 getting there > maybe, anybody follows there what Mailman folks are doing to be able to tell? > ) > > Laying aside for just a moment my security-first-never-mind-comfort attitude, > I tried to enable Firefox calling Mutt on raw messages. So in Firefox > Preferences: > about:preferences#applications > for "email message", I used the GUI and stuck "/usr/bin/mutt" in there > ( and also for "mailto", but I think the "email message" set to "Use mutt" is > responsible; the below scenario continued to happen when I reverted "mailto" > to the default "Always ask" ) > > Later note: reverting "email message" to "Always ask" will open a choice now, > one of them being mutt (the other LibreOffice which is somewhat pointless to > me), and it will send the message like below if I choose "mutt". > > So, this is what happens when I click on the "Poruka kao e-pismo" ("Message as > email" in Croatian) in the above mentioned page: > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20160623.134629.b7534288.en.html > > Nothing to be seen in the GUI, but... Here's what I got recorded in the logs, > open attachment: > > messages-161001-firefox-mutt-postfix.txt.gz > > Pls. take notice of the " port 0 " string (search with the blanks (all the > three), best. > ( > I can't expand much on "port 0" here and now, just: > > Re: php-cgi and nonexisting connections to udp/80 (and udp/0 > https://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2951&p=16341#p16324 > ) > > Looking up the mail queue: > > # mailq > -Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient------- > 12AD489F 452 Sun Oct 2 14:05:35 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr > (connect to 178.218.164.164[178.218.164.164]:587: Network is unreachable) > > /tmp/mozilla_miro0/20160623.134629.b7534288-3.rfc822@g0n.xdwgrp > > 43F268A1 452 Sun Oct 2 14:06:01 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr > (connect to 178.218.164.164[178.218.164.164]:587: Network is unreachable) > > /tmp/mozilla_miro0/20160623.134629.b7534288-4.rfc822@g0n.xdwgrp > > -- 0 Kbytes in 2 Requests. > # > > And so I took those tmp files, here there are: > > 20160623.134629.b7534288-3.rfc822.gz > 20160623.134629.b7534288-4.rfc822.gz --deleted, see below why-- > > ( > the two are identical, attaching only one: > $ sha256sum 20160623.134629.b7534288-3.rfc822 > 20160623.134629.b7534288-4.rfc822 > a8f4c511a9dc74e6d72892277d5ac6b665d17076359acde2b4af6ab1c366b1aa > 20160623.134629.b7534288-3.rfc822 > a8f4c511a9dc74e6d72892277d5ac6b665d17076359acde2b4af6ab1c366b1aa > 20160623.134629.b7534288-4.rfc822 > $ > ) > > Sure: > > # postsuper -d 12AD489F ; postsuper -d 43F268A1 > postsuper: 12AD489F: removed > postsuper: Deleted: 1 message > postsuper: 43F268A1: removed > postsuper: Deleted: 1 message > # mailq > Mail queue is empty > # > > As you can see if you inspect those files, Firefox will call Mutt, but won't > call it in a terminal for replying to the message. Instead, it will have Mutt > send the message directly as if it was in some kind of batch mode. > > And I almost went on to look into the headers in those tmp messages, but now > I realized it's the same that you get if you simply download from that link: > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr//mbox/20160623.134629.b7534288.rfc822 > $ sha256sum 20160623.134629.b7534288.rfc822 20160623.134629.b7534288-3.rfc822 > a8f4c511a9dc74e6d72892277d5ac6b665d17076359acde2b4af6ab1c366b1aa > 20160623.134629.b7534288.rfc822 > a8f4c511a9dc74e6d72892277d5ac6b665d17076359acde2b4af6ab1c366b1aa > 20160623.134629.b7534288-3.rfc822 > $ > > Just what made it send that message like that... > > That's really puzzling me... But all of this is a message in a... > > Do they have a program that keeps track when a disFAKEsenFAKEter tries to send > enfakecrfakeyptfakeed messages... will this BOTTLE (but with workable and > useful front topic) reach Mutt Users ML?... Pls. see: > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/mutt/lurker/message/20160925.115832.1d70b5e0.en.html > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/mutt/lurker/message/20160926.164522.1d2069f5.en.html > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/mutt/lurker/message/20160926.170254.abfe14d0.en.html > And more there... If those emails turned into html pages becomes unavailable, > pls. use my program that I updated today to document it: > https://github.com/miroR/uncenz > ( > Just learned two days ago, was studying all of these: > baguetteDuFromage, check-bgp, cozy_ynh, dokku-md-plugin, dokku-pg-plugin, > ep_padlist, gdeploy, jecode, ldapOrm, lxc-utils, miniroot, openstack-campaign, > plc, plc-gnosis, puppet-gitlab, puppet-jenkins, puppetlabs-nginxpack, > puppet-users, Simone, stoltenberg-speech-20110722, sunxi-debian, > torfilter_ynh, vagrant-gitlab > > Almost none of them has "git tag" available for listing, nor checking, such as > with"git tag --verify <some-tag>", *currently* on them (only found a few > updates by, IIRC RTyler (or similar name)with a tag, but can't find where > exactly now). > > And none of my (primitive) programs at Github had tags anymore, up until today > --I mean they had had tags [[past perfect tense]], previously, but they have > (recently?) lost it, because Github, obviously relatively recently, decided > that you have to upload your PGP signature to *them* (they becoming very big, > will be reaching Schmoog in gynormity... or?)... What a policy! > See: > https://help.github.com/articles/generating-a-gpg-key/ > ) > > Thanks for the (prospective) help! > --- > [*] Subscribed newbies go to your Mutt folder, hit "/" and paste > "~h20160918203452.GA30793@g0n.xdwgr" --all without quotes-- and examine which > of the 3 or 4 or so msgs found contain that string in the "Message-ID: " > header. That's the one! > -- > Miroslav Rovis > Zagreb, Croatia > http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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