I just got back in from a nice day in the park with my kids and my parents.
All I can say to defend myself is that I'm sorry I did not bow to you thy King. And I am sorry if I have my own opinions and personality. I will try to conform asap to Big Brother's wishes. And I am sorry that my apologies were not humiliating enough for you. And if that is not enough, then please continue to extract blood... ...in the meantime, I will continue where it really matters. Good luck to all. And good luck to MySQL. It is a great tool. Thanks for giving me the chance in my last email to set the record straight on my record. The archives will speak for themselves. At 04:18 PM 11/8/2001 +0000, you wrote: >On Thursday 08 Nov 2001 14:53, DownloadFAST.com wrote: > >First of all, I am going to state right now that I have not witnessed this >discussion first hand (probably a good thing, too). The comments here reffer >to what you said in your email, and what can be found in the archives. > >> >Personally, I thought this was definitely the most amusing thread in >> > recent memory... >> >> It wasn't particularly amusing to me. Especially when one of you who >> disagrees with me, decided to add my email to a bunch of adult spam lists. > >Do you have any evidence to corroborate this? If so I'm impressed. Please, >tell us what your sources are - maybe we can use the information to reduce >the amount of spam going around. > >Assuming (and you should know what "assume" does) in this particular instance >is actually a very well known logical error: > >Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. (IIR my Latin correctly) > >It means: "After it, therefore because of it." > >>From a purely logical point of view, that argument doesn't make sense. IMHO, >it is far more likely that your email address has been harvested by a mail >bot. Accusing people without evidence in a public forum, especially after >claiming seriousness on your own part is BAD practice, and not at all good >for credibility. > >> MySQL just better hope that I continue to love the product so much, that I >> do not post this thread for other corporations considering the >> professionalism of the community. > >That sounds threatening. Let's not start sabre-rattling here. You might just >loose credibility. > >> Remember your list is linked from the >> main MySQL.com web site, and I think that means you need to be cautious >> with how you swoop done on new people who come here representing their >> corporation. In fact, they are lurking and they are not impressed, given >> the supportive email I received privately. > >"Representing" in what way? There are good, helpful and friendly ways. There >are also others that involve shoving your (not necessarily your >corporation's) views (right or wrong, let's not go into it) down other >people's throats. Speaking out against open source products by generalising, >ESPECIALLY on a mailing list for an open-source product (if there is any >truth in what you quoted somebody to have said) is asking for trouble. >Especially after criticising the documentation that you obviously haven't >read properly. I make oversights myself, as far as documentation reading >goes. But at least I don't go in head-long convinced that I'm 100% right. > >> I think what you are demonstrating quite effectively is that if someone >> does not agree with the standard line of thinking in the group, then they >> will be chastized by the group. I have had several people from the list >> email me privately and give me their support. > >Frankly, after having just read through the archives, I am absolutely stunned >with the patience some people, especially Sinisa have shown you, in face of >blatant provocation verging on abuse. > >Some of your comments, e.g. "There are few poeple here trying to lock out any >outsider with a controversial opinion." verge on paranoid. Have you looked at >the MySQL source code? From your comments, I am pretty sure you haven't. And >yet you feel you know enough about it to say that "a modification" is >"simple". You don't know enough to make that call. Sinisa does. Get over it. >If you think you are that good, then go and make a patch and submit it for >inclusion in the source! I hate to break this to you, but that's the way >open-source software development is supposed to work. There is a not-so-fine >line between constructive criticism and abuse. IMHO, you have crossed it. > >Then you go on to say: >"Sure there are those people trying to use MySQL to replace Oracle, but IMO >they should be the ones to have caveats, not the majority." > >Oracle, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc. are all good products - and they are all good >at different things. It all boils down to cost effectiveness and performance. >If Oracle is good for you, and you can afford it - go for it. The whole point >of there being multiple products is that you can pick the one the most >closely matches your requirements. > >MySQL documentation has a very nicely reasoned PostgreSQL vs. MySQL section. >After having read it, at least I know that MySQL is developed by people who >are sufficiently grown up to look past their own point of view in order to >see the bigger picture and recognize the advantages and disadvantages of >different approaches to the problem. > >> Your intolerance only hurts the future of the group. But no worry, as your >> list is not really important to future of MySQL, or at least that is what >> we are hoping. >> >> In fact, you'll find traces of my input all over the web. And a lot of it >> is right on the money in terms of technical accuracy. >> >> Good try Ravi, but again you as the others are just showing your >> vindictiveness. It is not an enduring trait. > >I think you need to grow up a bit. And as far as vindictiveness is concerned, >I am not entirely sure who is vindictive here - my understanding is that YOU >are the one that re-subscribed to the list to rant on about this. > >Bottom line: >1) If you need help with a product, then ask for help - don't spread FUD >about the product - ESPECIALLY not on the official mailing list for the >product. >2) If you want a feature - then ask for it nicely. Starting your comment with >a comment about how stunned you are with the (very arguable, IMHO) inadequacy >of the product is NOT a method that will make you popular, or make people >encouraged to help you. Alternatively, add it yourself, and submit the patch. >If you don't know enough to do that, then you probably don't know enough to >argue how easy it is to do it! > >Now, can we please stop wasting bandwidth with this utterly immature argument? > >Regards. > >Gordan > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Before posting, please check: > http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) > http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) > >To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To unsubscribe, e-mail ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Trouble unsubscribing? 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