Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread .
Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Tuesday 11 November 2003 23:47 From: Nils Valentin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martijn Tonies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Martjin, On Monday 10 November 2003 19:50, Martijn Tonies wrote: > Hi Nils, > > > How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ? > > The tool itself is Windows based - however, people are running > it under Wine and similar emulators. See > http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw_freebsd_wine.htm > for an example. That was 1 customer, yes thats right, but you dont want to argue that the performance will be the same ;-). Wine is a good product, but it is more or less for an emergency and not for the everyday basis. There are already some products running on, but within limits. > > Why does it say on the page > > > > 1) Receiving upgrades is not time limited. > > > > and 2) > > The license itself isn't time limited - but there is a 20% yearly renewal > > fee > > > for maintenance and support (updates etc) on the driver after the first > > year. > > The (2) part comes from a different product: "InterXpress for Firebird" and > is not related to Database Workbench. There's a different header on the > webpage above that part. > > > I found this > > > > a) confusing and > > b) I would prefer a one time fee. > > If you read it like that, it actually is confusing :-) ... Is your web-page > view > perhaps messed up? The page is tested with IE and Opera and looks fine > in both. Thank you for asking. I am using Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. It looks fine in all3 browsers, but it was not clear for me that the second note was only for the InterXpress for Firebird product. I believ it would help to list them up on separate pages or perhaps change the background colour slightly to make it more obvious. > > The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow to > > offer > > > the drivers for a reasonable price ? > > You are mixing two things, the driver product has nothing to do with > Database Workbench. > > > I found 435$ for the full module software to expensive. I can get similar > > and > > > better software easily for under 100$ - ( sometimes even free) which > > offer more features and reliability than your product. > > I'm surprised you can say something like that just a few hours after > release > > :-) > > Take another look: if you want to use Database Workbench for MySQL only, > you can purchase a license for Euro 109,- not Euro 435,- ... If you want > more > database engines supported, the license price will increase. The most critical point to me is that the combination of closed source/ features/price seesm to be a bit unlucky. First it doesnt seem to be an open source product (and please correct me if I am wrong). Secodnly, I dont like the idea, that I have to buy for what is supposed to be an addon. That should be included. And the modul type should easily allow cheaper prices for the whole package. Have a look at other products and let me know what you think; www.business.com/search/rslt_default.asp?r4=t&query=database +development+tool >> (over 100 tools introduced www.10xsoftware.com/products/ www.fabforce.net www.minq.se www.dbtools.com.br/EN/dbmanagerpro.php www.ems-hitech.com www.quest.com/solutions/database_management_products.asp >> (10 tools introduced) www.linuxadvisor.net/doc/12029 www.macosguru.de/ www.easysoft.com/solutions/osx.phtml www.hallogram.com/dezign/ There are 100^s more. Not all of them are open source. It depends strongly on which platform you are running the software. > > If you have the luck to find customers which are willing to pay this, > > than > > you > > > are probably the most terrific sales person around for a while. > > All power to you. > > The InterBase and Firebird modules of Database Workbench have been > successfull for quite some years and include many useful tools not offered > in order applications. The "per database engine" modules allow you to > make a difference between a "one size fits all" product, but still have the > ability to use tools like the Test Data Generator The Test data generator is nowadays integrated in quite a few tools. > or Schema Migration tool > without the need to buy licenses for hundreds or thousands of Euros. That might be correct, but I still believe that you must be a terrific sales person. Open source products can be installed on unlimited machines without buying any licenses ;-) (if you want to do so). Dont get me wrong if it is a good product it might well be worth paying for it, but right now I cant see that yet when I compare this to the 100^s of open source products out there. > With regards, > > Martijn Tonies > Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird & MS SQL > Server. Upscene Productions > http://www.upscene.com kind regards -- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/ ------------------------------------------------------- -- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
