Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread .
Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Monday 10 November 2003 22:15 From: "Martijn Tonies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Nils, > thanks for the reply. You replied to me offline, so I keep it that way (if you > want it so;-) Actually, you started it in the last reply :-) btw, thank you for your reply, I appreciate your comments. > I already mentioned that I like Open source products, there is a good reason > for that, which I would like to explain. When I buy a product I want to use > it for a long time. Ideally I want to be able to modify things within the > software to my needs. An I believe that open source products are good for > this, for other things as well. They sure are good for that. Although I'm unsure if everything does it that way - on a personal account, I am using open source products as well, but never have felt the need to modify a single one of them. > I installed the software on a Windows 98 machine. The lowest speck machine > which I have (I always do this with new software). > > The speed seems to be reasonable (nothing to complain here ;-) > > I accessed a few Mysql databases when I got an "Abstract error". If you could retrace your steps and explain what you're doing here, than it would be very useful. If you could give me simple instructions like step 1, do this, step 2, do that - I would very much like to have them. > When you choose the Blob Editor and try to access a database which you dont > have access for then a screen tells me " Access violation at address 4002F584 > in module "RTL70.BPL" Read of address FFFFFFFF" Really? Can you explain in more detail? > While the software contains possibly all kind of tools and features I dont > think that the design of the interface is intuitive. > > The File menu has a point called Preferences. Is there a point in listing up > the single sub sections when they lead to the same window containing all > properties ? Actually, it has always been that way and no-one complained. Seems I gotta change the behaviour then :-) > Also the functions should be grouped context sensitive. ( I believe > DbVisualizer is a good sample here). See how the context of the menu changes > with the user interactions (try the export functions). The main menu (top of the screen) is fixed. The context sensitive menus in the Enterprise Manager and Database Navigator change all the time. > I would perhaps place the tool buttons on a vertical bar between the left and > the right window, letting the image icons change depending which tool you > have chosen to see. the tools would be shown in tabs, so that the user sees > basically only 1 tab at a time (unless he wants to see more windows than he > should be able to cascade the windows or arrange them on the screen). This is more of a UI preference. Many people like the current interface... > I dont believe in Error No xxx messages. The window should display the meaning > for the user. f.e > > Not: error 1045 > but: This combination of username, hostname,db and password is invalid. Could you please clarify where this pops up? Would this error come straight from the MySQL client? > Also I dont like popup windows reminding me that I have to register the > software evrytime when I start the software or click on a special feature. > That can be mentioned decently in the statusbar once or always, but NO POPUPS > - hope you got this ;-) Sorry, that's a trial version... > The Wizard screens remind me of another software called SQLyog (available here > http://www.webyog.com/) which was freely available for quite a while ;-) , > its right now 30 - 50$. Haha - I've seen that tool. You know what the biggest difference is between the wizards? My graphics were drawn by me while the SQLyog graphics were taken/copied from the Microsoft SQL Server Enterprise Manager tool. Every graphic in it. > Perhaps the mixture of tools is unique the way you present them ;-) , but I > certainly think that the GUI could need a good and thoroughly sorting for > the functions. Think about it this way "KISS" - Keep it stupid simple. To > many options is like trying to find your car key in the forest (or so ;-). > > Anyway thats my opinion. I could probaly go on like this for a while... At the > end its the user who decides which products he likes and my result is that > this product still needs lots of improvements regarding the GUIs intuitivity > (and the pricing and the license model of course;-). Things improve over time, I believe that every release, beta-testers come up with new things that they like so and so. Of course, one can never argue about taste - I actually do get quite some comments saying that many tools can be found exactly where people expect them to be... :-) Could you please reply with a message with more info about the errors you found? With regards, Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird & MS SQL Server. 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