I have a challenge for you beauty industry gel and UV chemists. I have a friend who is working on her doctorate in cancer research. She still thinks that beauty industry uv nail lamps cause cancer. I gave her a print out of the information that I learned about from this forum, the one titled "Do UV Lamps Emit Unsafe Levels of Ultraviolet Light?" . She obviously will not pay any attention to any information given to her by someone other than the University where she is working on her doctorate. That would be Washington University in St. Louis, MO, one of the best schools in the country.
My challenge to you and the rest of the industry chemists is to get the universities to teach the information from the experts in the industry, not the opinion of a general researcher who is not involved in developing products for the beauty industry. I have no idea how you could accomplish this wonder of all wonders, I would just like to see our Universities teaching the truth and not hypotheses' of people who do not know what they are talking about. Is this a pipe dream? I hope not, but, how can we lowly manicurists compleat with what Washington University is teaching. Wash U is like a god around here. What the Wash U professors say is gold. :-P Katherine St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPad On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:43 PM, "Erick Westcott" <er...@gelousy.com> wrote: > Well, It isn’t really sticky layer either, but sticky layer is a quick easy > way to explain it. Why complicate things, when sticky layer says exactly > what it is. > > If you really want to be correct, dispersion layer would indicate that > something was being dispersed or being distributed. I imagine that you could > make the stretch to say that the sticky layer was covering the entire nail > therefore it was dispersed over the entire nail. But to disperse would > assume that something or someone needed to disperse it in the first place. > You do disperse the product over the nail, but the curing process does not > disperse the sticky layer, it does not put it there. It was there from the > beginning. > > If anything the correct term would be inhibition layer. The oxygen molecules > in the air inhibit the very top layer of gel from curing. > > Given enough time and exposure to UV, that sticky layer starts to cure, then > you get a gummy really sticky layer that when wiped looks dull. > > Given even more time and exposure to UV, some gel will yellow and become > brittle, like when you kick a piece of plastic that has been out in the sun > for years and it just falls apart. But nails becoming brittle due to over > exposure of UV is rare, it takes a lot of photo aging to make that happen. > > I don’t think that was too personally bias. > > I think the “change” came about because the chemists were in the closet so to > speak. So there were people just running around making things up like, “you > can’t over cure gel”, “Polycrylic”, “dispersion layer”, “acrylics will be > gone in 10 years”, “gel cures cancer and tastes like strawberries”. But now > that some have come out, there is a constant battle between what was said and > what is correct. Even today there are people that say things that simply > aren’t correct, or they blow things so out of proportion that it is just > silly. Seven things you MUST do in the next 10 minutes or you will die a > horrible death in the coming zombie apocalypse… More after the break. > > And that is why I stick to sticky layer. > > Erick Westcott, CEO > Gelousy Gel Nail Systems > 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 > Phoenix AZ 85027 > 602-493-9043 > Fax: 602-493-2544 > er...@gelousy.com > www.gelousy.com > > > > From: nailtech@googlegroups.com [mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Manicures That Last > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:48 PM > To: nailtech@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > > Thank you Erick, apparently you have earned the title Chem-Geek for a good > reason ! > I know I use the term dispersion layer ALL the time. I will absolutely stop > that and use the correct Sticky Reside term! > > Lorraine > > > At 09:15 PM 1/18/2012, you wrote: > > Oh I forgot... How over curing happens. > > The sticky residue (and it is NOT called a dispersion layer) starts to cure > causing dullness when the nail is wiped. With no residue gels, over curing > causes brittleness. > > -Erick > Gelousy Chemist and general bad ass. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > From: Maggie in Visalia <onykoph...@yahoo.com> > Date: Wed, January 18, 2012 6:50 pm > To: 1Nail Tech list < nailtech@googlegroups.com> > > Ok, I need a chem-geek. > > I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone who's known me (or known of me) > for any length of time, but I'm skeptical of pretty much any information that > comes down the pike these days on the subject of product chemistry. > > A. I have to take into consideration that the experts on the subject also all > represent companies and products that they depend on for their livelihood, > not to mention are personall invested in-- I'm sure Doug Schoon thinks of > Shellac as his personal baby, for example. So I can't think of any source of > info on these matters that doesn't come with personal bias. > > B. Everything they used to tell us has changed in the last 20 years that I've > been listening! Seriously, I remember being told that you could NOT overcure > gel! That once all the polymer chains were formed, they were done. So > continued exposure to UV light wasn't going to do anything else. > > It's not that I can't understand that technology changes. That maybe the gel > technology that's primarily used in the industry today isn't the same as it > used to be. I'm totally cool with that-- I just want someone to acknowledge > that it changed. When did anyone say, "Well, it used to be like this, see? > But now we use this instead and so we have these issues now...?" > > Ok. So anyway.... The current word is that gel CAN be over-cured. If anyone > would care to explain to me HOW over-curing takes place, I am ALL ABOUT > learning! > > Just a day or two ago, I came across a post from Manicures That Last about > over-curing and the example was given that you don't really need to worry > about over-curing until you get into 5 minute+ range. > > Ummmmm..... so, what happens if a nail chips? or breaks? or peels off? or > whatever? Wouldn't repairing a gel/gel polish nail, at 2 minutes per coat (8 > minutes total in a standard flourescent lamp) mean that any other nails that > get re-exposed to the light during the repair are now over-cured? > > Maggie Franklin: > Owner & Artist, The Art of Nailz, Visalia CA > "Visionary rebel dreamer; obviously way ahead of my time." > Maggie Rants [and Raves]@Nails Magazine > Facebook > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > Lorraine, webgirl > > www.ManicuresThatLast.com <<-- Eco So Quick UV Gel Polish & CinaPro Nail Art > www.ScentualSpaProducts.com <<--Enhance the Spa Experience > Free Shipping on all orders over $75 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. 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