Good to know. All these tidbits of information help me do a better job. The more I understand the better nail tech I become. Thanks for sharing your expertise!
Katherine St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:39 AM, "Erick Westcott" <er...@gelousy.com> wrote: > Well, yes and no. As a matter of functionality, no. In other words after > the prescribed cure time the nail is essentially done. It is cured and > should function as intended. > > But yes, it really does continue to cure. Not in any significant way though. > Sort of like adding a drop of water to a pool. It is not going to get any > stronger. We are talking about a fraction of a percent of the volume of gel. > Some gel will continue to crosslink for days and sometimes weeks after > applied. This is why the longer you leave a soak-off gel on a nail the > harder it will be to soak off. > > This is one of those blow it out of proportion things. I have to go and make > my tin foil hat now. If you want one, send a check for $32 to the address > below. They are fashionable and will protect you against zombie mind rays. > > Erick Westcott, CEO > Gelousy Gel Nail Systems > 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 > Phoenix AZ 85027 > 602-493-9043 > Fax: 602-493-2544 > er...@gelousy.com > www.gelousy.com > > > > From: nailtech@googlegroups.com [mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of salo...@gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:17 PM > To: Erick Westcott; nailtech@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > > Erick, > So is the story we heard about the sun continuing to cure the gel correct? > Lynnette > > Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Erick Westcott" <er...@gelousy.com> > Date: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:43 pm > Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > To: <nailtech@googlegroups.com> > > Well, It isn't really sticky layer either, but sticky layer is a quick easy > way to explain it. Why complicate things, when sticky layer says exactly > what it is. > > > > If you really want to be correct, dispersion layer would indicate that > something was being dispersed or being distributed. I imagine that you > could make the stretch to say that the sticky layer was covering the entire > nail therefore it was dispersed over the entire nail. But to disperse would > assume that something or someone needed to disperse it in the first place. > You do disperse the product over the nail, but the curing process does not > disperse the sticky layer, it does not put it there. It was there from the > beginning. > > > > If anything the correct term would be inhibition layer. The oxygen > molecules in the air inhibit the very top layer of gel from curing. > > > > Given enough time and exposure to UV, that sticky layer starts to cure, then > you get a gummy really sticky layer that when wiped looks dull. > > > > Given even more time and exposure to UV, some gel will yellow and become > brittle, like when you kick a piece of plastic that has been out in the sun > for years and it just falls apart. But nails becoming brittle due to over > exposure of UV is rare, it takes a lot of photo aging to make that happen. > > > > I don't think that was too personally bias. > > > > I think the "change" came about because the chemists were in the closet so > to speak. So there were people just running around making things up like, > "you can't over cure gel", "Polycrylic", "dispersion layer", "acrylics will > be gone in 10 years", "gel cures cancer and tastes like strawberries". But > now that some have come out, there is a constant battle between what was > said and what is correct. Even today there are people that say things that > simply aren't correct, or they blow things so out of proportion that it is > just silly. Seven things you MUST do in the next 10 minutes or you will die > a horrible death in the coming zombie apocalypse. More after the break. > > > > And that is why I stick to sticky layer. > > > > Erick Westcott, CEO > > Gelousy Gel Nail Systems > > 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 > > Phoenix AZ 85027 > > 602-493-9043 > > Fax: 602-493-2544 > > er...@gelousy.com > > www.gelousy.com > > > > > > > > From: nailtech@googlegroups.com [mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Manicures That Last > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:48 PM > To: nailtech@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > > > > Thank you Erick, apparently you have earned the title Chem-Geek for a good > reason ! > I know I use the term dispersion layer ALL the time. I will absolutely stop > that and use the correct Sticky Reside term! > > Lorraine > > > At 09:15 PM 1/18/2012, you wrote: > > > > Oh I forgot... How over curing happens. > > The sticky residue (and it is NOT called a dispersion layer) starts to cure > causing dullness when the nail is wiped. With no residue gels, over curing > causes brittleness. > > -Erick > Gelousy Chemist and general bad ass. > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > > From: Maggie in Visalia <onykoph...@yahoo.com> > > Date: Wed, January 18, 2012 6:50 pm > > To: 1Nail Tech list < nailtech@googlegroups.com > <mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com> > > > Ok, I need a chem-geek. > > > > I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone who's known me (or known of me) > for any length of time, but I'm skeptical of pretty much any information > that comes down the pike these days on the subject of product chemistry. > > > > A. I have to take into consideration that the experts on the subject also > all represent companies and products that they depend on for their > livelihood, not to mention are personall invested in-- I'm sure Doug Schoon > thinks of Shellac as his personal baby, for example. So I can't think of any > source of info on these matters that doesn't come with personal bias. > > > > B. Everything they used to tell us has changed in the last 20 years that > I've been listening! Seriously, I remember being told that you could NOT > overcure gel! That once all the polymer chains were formed, they were done. > So continued exposure to UV light wasn't going to do anything else. > > > > It's not that I can't understand that technology changes. That maybe the gel > technology that's primarily used in the industry today isn't the same as it > used to be. I'm totally cool with that-- I just want someone to acknowledge > that it changed. When did anyone say, "Well, it used to be like this, see? > But now we use this instead and so we have these issues now...?" > > > > Ok. So anyway.... The current word is that gel CAN be over-cured. If anyone > would care to explain to me HOW over-curing takes place, I am ALL ABOUT > learning! > > > > Just a day or two ago, I came across a post from Manicures That Last about > over-curing and the example was given that you don't really need to worry > about over-curing until you get into 5 minute+ range. > > > > Ummmmm..... so, what happens if a nail chips? or breaks? or peels off? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. 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