"The mission *includes* education and outreach to the academic community" is 
not the same as "The mission is education and outreach to the academic 
community".


On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Sean Figgins wrote:

> On 10/27/10 2:50 PM, kris foster wrote:
>> The mission includes education and outreach to the academic community. 
>> If students are not implied, then maybe we're working on different 
>> definitions of some of these words.
>> 3. Mission
>> The purpose of NewNOG is to provide forums in the North American region for 
>> education and the sharing of knowledge for the Internet operations community.
>> 
>> [snip]
>> 
>> NewNOG serves as a bridge between the technical staff of leading Internet 
>> providers close to network operations, technical communities such as 
>> standards bodies, and the academic community.
> 
> I see nowhere in there that defines that NewNOG is exclusively for the 
> benefit of students.  The term "for education" does not mean exclusively 
> for students.  In only means that it is for those that which to be 
> educated or seem knowledge.
> 
> I see nowhere in the bylaws that state that student membership has a 
> higher value than normal membership that requires it to be discounted.
> 
> I stand by my position that students should get no more of a discount 
> than someone else that is at an equal or greater hardship.  And even 
> then, I am not sure what benefit this brings to the NewNOG 
> organization.  If we are so concerned with this, then we should 
> re-evaluate the fees, and set membership at $25/year for everyone.  
> Let's level the field for everyone.  I have known full time students 
> that had more money to throw around than full time network engineers 
> with a wife and 3 kids.  Where is their parent discount?  Even the US 
> government gives assistance to families in hardship conditions.
> 
> Membership is exclusively for governance.  Membership is not required 
> for conference attendance.  Students already get a discount for 
> conference attendance.  If they want to play in governance, then let 
> them pay the same as everyone else.
> 
>  -Sean
> 
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