On 10/27/10 3:53 PM, kris foster wrote: > "The mission *includes* education and outreach to the academic community" is > not the same as "The mission is education and outreach to the academic > community". >>> The mission includes education and outreach to the academic community. >>> If students are not implied, then maybe we're working on different >>> definitions of some of these words. >>> 3. Mission >>> The purpose of NewNOG is to provide forums in the North American region for >>> education and the sharing of knowledge for the Internet operations >>> community. >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>> NewNOG serves as a bridge between the technical staff of leading Internet >>> providers close to network operations, technical communities such as >>> standards bodies, and the academic community. >>
Bridge != outreach. I see this definition as establishing a forum for mutual discussion and education. Academic community, standards bodies and the real world are all on this forum to discuss and educate each other, and provide feedback for the betterment of the technology involved. When I see "academic community", I am not thinking that we are taking knowledgeable engineers at the leading network operators and educating students, I am thinking we are having the Academic researchers coming up with ideas, presenting to the operations community, and getting feedback to set real world expectations. Are students involved in this? Probably? Do students get benefit from participation in NANOG? Definitely. Does NewNOG benefit from student participation in GOVERNANCE? Questionable. Does NANOG benefit from academic researchers participating? Definitely. Again. This is not a question of participation in NANOG discussion lists or conferences. It never has had anything to do with the NANOG community participation. This is solely about GOVERNANCE, and when it comes to that, I believe it should be a level field for participation. Let me put this another way... Should students get a discount price for stock of Cisco? Should they get a seat on the board with 1% share, when is would normally require a 10% share? Would this be fair, or even smart? I have a feeling that the beer would flow a lot more freely at Cisco if it was run by students, but I think that the company would not be around for long if they spend all their money on parties, instead of returns for investors. Quality products aside. This in no way keeps students from going to Cisco Networkers conferences, or applying for a job with Cisco. -Sean _______________________________________________ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
