V4 only works today? You're going to exclude at the very least Ebay and Amazon? Seriously?
On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 1:13 PM Gary Sparkes <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll add this too - > > We don't even bother asking ISPs for v6 support, we just assume if it's > not there it won't happen. > > There is no point in asking. It's 2025, either they're deploying it or > not. > > If they don't have it, we work around it, usually by allocating space to a > customer and setting up a portal/tunnel endpoint geographically close to > them and handling it that way. > > We also encourage customers to move off said ISP - I have moved several of > my customers to T-Mobile wireless internet off of local ISPs because of > this issue, and it works 'good enough'. > > Not having v6 support these days speaks to laughable incompetence as a > network operator, or extensive legacy infrastructure. Especially since it's > now possible to run v6 only without any v4 translation tech and still have > working end-user 'internet' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Luthman via NANOG <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2025 10:56 AM > To: Mu <[email protected]> > Cc: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected]>; Aaron > C. de Bruyn <[email protected]>; Josh Luthman < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: IPv4 Pricing > > I need a business reason to make the business do IPv6. I do not need a > technical reason. This thread has shown there is no business use case for > global IPv6. > > I also want to throw this out there: Metronet residential (last I heard > 7th largest fiber provider in the US, this was well before the Tmobile > acquisition) doesn't even give out public IPs. They do IPv4 only CGNAT. > You can get a /32 static at $15/mo (in some areas). > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:51 AM Mu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > the reason "you still need v4 for a working Internet" is because > > people like you keep saying crap like "v6 is a joke". > > thanks for that! > > > > On Monday, December 1st, 2025 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman via NANOG < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place. > > Second > > > why don't you just get your own ASN? > > > > > > Are you willing to pay more to support v6? Or do you think the ISP > > > should add that service for free? > > > > > > Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet. I > > > understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by > > without > > > v4. > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 10:03 AM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I wish they were dropping in my area. > > > > I called my backwoods ISP last week (they are a monopoly with > > > > ~4,000 > > fiber > > > > customers) to go from a single static at my office to a /29 and > > > > they > > said > > > > "It's $300/mo". > > > > I asked why it was so high and they said "My boss doesn't like > > configuring > > > > them, so he set the price really high". > > > > Then I asked when IPv6 would be available and got the same answer > > > > I got back in 2019: "My boss said he was thinking about looking > > > > into it next year". > > > > > > > > -A > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:12 PM Tom Mitchell via NANOG < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > v4 addresses have been dropping rapidly. They were as high as > > > > > $65 > > last > > > > > year. Now, there are offers for $11. Average market price now is > > > > > in > > the > > > > > mid-$20's. All the NA ISPs have been selling much of their > inventory. > > > > > Why > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 11:23 AM Mike Hammett via NANOG < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What are you using for guides for IPv4 pricing? There are a > > > > > > bunch > > of > > > > > > undated blogs, which don't mean much if there's no date. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hilco's blog says somewhere around $27 for a /22 to /24: > > > > > > https://www.ipv4.global/reports/october-2025/ > > > > > > but then fast forward a month on their auction page and it's > > > > > > down > > to > > > > > > $22: > > > > > > https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales > > > > > > > > > > > > These guys stopped updating in June: > > > > > > https://ipv4market.eu/ipv4-market-average-sale-prices-2025/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > Mike Hammett > > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Midwest-IX > > > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > NANOG mailing list > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/UW > > JDG6X3FH73ELJRSEX4O4BIK7CS7EAQ/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > NANOG mailing list > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/2D > > P5TTAHK4CN2HXHNLLYN225JNLQYJIO/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NANOG mailing list > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/5D > > 2RDOWMRXX4634VKZO33X4YAR7RYMDK/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NANOG mailing list > > > > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/XW > > AJ5B7ZIBEPUGWIUKS42N3AM76AMWRV/ > > > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/3HDQ4IOL7WVYZUUSRW2SXPKGP5JXZJHS/ > _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/TZO6FHSWSQTVXAF2FHIID3KW76PTMZNU/
