Randy,

I find this subject extremely interesting.  Could you tell me how one
goes about listing a product to UL 1950/CSA 950 3rd Edition if the
product violates many of the clauses.  My understanding was that a
product had to meet all the criteria as stated in the standard in order
to obtain a listing.  Am I wrong?  How would one get a listing if UL1950
states that creepage must be >1.5mm and the connector creepage is say
only 1.0mm.  Are these deviations published somewhere?  Do other NRTL's
other than UL do this?

This is truly something totally new to me!  I want to hear more!


Jim

Jim Wiese
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
ADTRAN, Inc.
205-963-8431
205-963-8250  FAX
jim.wi...@adtran.com

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>From:  Randolph Ivans[SMTP:iva...@ul.com]
>Sent:  Tuesday, January 27, 1998 2:22 PM
>To:    nebs@world.std.com
>Cc:    Thomas Lanzisero
>Subject:       re: telco spacing, listings, etc.
>
>UL has a category called "Communication Service Equipment" which is 
>specifically intended to address utility owned and operated equipment. The 
>category makes allowances for special installation practices, locations of 
>equipment, etc. that would allow variations from the traditional 
>UL1950/UL1459 requirements which are intended for more general 
>applications. Right now, the base-line requirements are either UL1459 or 
>UL1950 with consideration given to various Bellcore GRs as well as the NESC 
>and some international specs like the CCITT K series recommendations. These 
>additions typically cover environmental, grounding and surge issues.
>
>I have not heard (up until now) of any serious concerns with the passing of 
>UL1459 in the year 2000 and have been planning to shift over to UL1950 the 
>same as the categories for ITE and Telephone Equipment. In the past I have 
>made it known at TIA meetings that it would be possible to keep or evolve 
>UL1459 into a standard more dedicated to US only telecom but there was 
>never any interest expressed. Another approach might be to integrate some 
>of the UL1459 concepts (like dielectrics instead of spacings) into a 
>Communication Service Equipment standard that still uses UL1950 as a base 
>but with some special considerations for US service provider applications.
>
>Randy Ivans
>Business Sector Coordinator
>Telecommunications Industry
>email: iva...@ul.com
>
>

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