Well WWVB yes for DST, GPS doesn't buy you that.... but I know exactly what 
you mean. I really like my WWVB clocks.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 11:40:14 AM UTC-6, NeonJohn wrote:
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>
>
> On 02/03/2016 12:03 PM, 'Terry S' via neonixie-l wrote: 
> > Got it -- I should have read the description more carefully, I assumed 
> it 
> > wasn't working due to lack of the broadcast time signal. So in reality, 
> you 
> > are good to go. I still think WWVB is unnecessary on a 4 digit clock. 
>
> I have a bunch of flip panels from buses so a clock is in my future. 
> They are LOUD inside a quiet house.  What I'm thinking is 6 digit but 
> with a motion sensor that only activates the seconds when someone is 
> near.  Otherwise the seconds are blanked out and the HH:MM is shifted to 
> the center of the display. 
>
> In the bus display, each row is treated as a shift register while the 
> columns are treated as bits in a word,  A friend to whom I gave a panel 
> has figured out the driving scheme. 
>
> Even if GPS or WWVB wasn't strictly necessary, I'd have to have it just 
> to handle the switch to and from DST.  I finally got all the clocks in 
> my house changed out to WWVB clocks so now DST day is just another day. 
> > 
> > I don't trust Aliexpress, too many of the sellers are shady and there is 
> no 
> > real buyer protection. If the seller accepts PayPal then maybe you have 
> a 
> > shot. Otherwise you are just broadcasting your credit card all over 
> China. 
>
> We've had very good luck with both express and Alibaba.  A few rules. 
>
> Never ever use a credit card.  Always paypal.  I loathe paypal but I 
> have an account just for them and dxexpress.com. 
>
> ALWAYS buy or negotiate samples before buying for effect.  Many of those 
> manufacturers have no idea what they're making.  They just cloned 
> something that looked cool. 
>
> IF you're buying for effect from an Alibaba vendor, ALWAYS use an escrow 
> service.  Hard lesson learned here.  They always want the full amount 
> paid up front.  The most we'll do is pay for the raw materials.  The 
> rest goes in escrow. 
>
> If you're having something manufactured, specify every single dimension, 
> detail and step.  The last round of extrusions we had made, we forgot to 
> specify deburring the drilled holes.  Just guess what we got! 
>
> In the escrow agreement, specify that they must ship several (usually 5) 
> pieces from the finished production for our inspection before we release 
> the money.  Of course, they can "cook the book" on the samples but 
> that's better than being blind-sided.  After the extrusion debacle (the 
> samples WERE deburred), we've started requiring a video of them picking 
> samples at random. 
>
> Yeah, they're a pain in the tutu but the cost saving is worth it. 
>
> John 
>
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