Dear all on the list,
I have found this list to be pretty diverse and rewarding through the last ten
years seance Marc told me about it. Although I tend not to
post frequently I read a fair amount of the content and follow the links to
work etc.
It’s interesting in that it is quite broad and ‘free’.
At first I found it to be a bit too ‘academic’ for my own taste. However I
think that's ok.
Big Social media is an evil as far as I am concerned. Hegemonic and like
banking in its rapacious sucking of all life forms. I recently stopped all fb
use but
was caught in the trap of Insta (same beast) which I may quit and just use my
real life interactions - mainly in cafes in Brighton, which I find far more
rewarding.
I never liked computers and the internet. I found that it was the worst
bandwagon to jump on.
Make art, music poetry etc yes, but I want it to be in the real world, not the
dull world of internet! ha ha - Screens suck - literally.
I of course respect the countless artists who use the platform and subvert it
etc etc etc.
And not least Marc and Ruth for their tireless building of alternative spaces
for art, activism and discussion.
I hope it carries on.
Insta and fb are an extremely poor alternative I feel it in my bones.
Thanks,
Simon
On 2 Jun 2021, at 13:57, Gretta Louw via NetBehaviour
<netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Firstly, I’d like to extend most heartfelt thanks and admiration to
> Furtherfield, Ruth and Marc, for carrying the maintenance, moderation, and
> organisation burden of the list for so many years and especially for being
> such truly incredible community-builders.
>
> For me personally I find networks of colleagues on image-based social media
> and messaging groups based around specific topics or friendships to be the
> most sustaining. I do enjoy checking in on Netbehaviour from time to time and
> chiming in when a topic I am more engaged in pops up, but I have found myself
> feeling more distant from much of the content lately (probably due to a lot
> of personal shifts).
>
> Even if it’s not my primary contact method I see value in those sorts of
> casual and not content-driven channels, which is, I think, what most people
> have said in feedback to Ruth’s prompts about Netbehaviour.
>
> It’s a super generous offer from Ruth/Furtherfield here to pass the reins to
> the community rather than simply taking it in a different direction or
> shutting it down - totally in keeping with the practices of care that are at
> the basis of everything Furtherfield does. I hope someone puts up their hand
> to take on the job.
>
> I will most likely continue to mostly lurk in the background on the list
> post-handover, but I’m also pretty active on instagram. For what it’s worth,
> despite all the foibles of the platform itself and tech interests behind it,
> the community of colleagues I’ve found there (many I’ve never met IRL, some
> I’ve become ‘real’ friends with after initially connecting online) has been
> quite sustaining over the course of the pandemic.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Gretta
>
>
>
>
>> On 31. May 2021, at 23:05, Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour
>> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Alan on this, obviously;
>> and only now realize the initial question, by Ruth, which i missed, it being
>> my first long weekend where i can be outside and relax ('bank holiday', this
>> being London).
>> I completely like, adore and support this list
>> and i hope it goes on forever,
>> as I value the open platform community here,
>>
>> best
>> Johannes Birringer
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: NetBehaviour <netbehaviour-boun...@lists.netbehaviour.org> on behalf
>> of Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Sent: 31 May 2021 15:48
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> Cc: Alan Sondheim
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Like Buses
>>
>> Hi Ruth and others,
>>
>> To be honest, it might be better to let Netbehaviour go, if you feel like
>> this; the great thing about it, for me, is that it is a completely open
>> platform; people can post what they want to it. When you talk about being
>> "someone else's guest" you're talking about a very different structure like
>> empyre, which has guests and topics. Netbehaviour has been and at least for
>> me continues to be more of a community. To "hangout" as well implies themes
>> or something like Discord channels.
>>
>> I've found Netbehaviour invaluable; I wouldn't have gone personally in the
>> directions of blockchains, Larf, the work others are doing here - and that's
>> what makes it so important - that it's a level playing field. If you do want
>> to end it, please do of course. For me, I value the community.
>>
>> Precisely because Annie objects, it feels like that, like a community. And I
>> think we need all sorts of viewpoints; it feels open, and people come and go
>> when it's functioning well. I was thinking that this list had less activity
>> because of Covid, but the two (smaller) lists I run have bounced back.
>>
>> Of course if you find it a burden, Ruth, that's another issue altogether.
>> For me I don't want people to "take the list in another direction" or any
>> direction at all. The value is that it's not a stream, that it's not
>> dedicated one way or another. I'm interested in seeing not what it might
>> become, as you say, but what it is. It reminds me of when I was at
>> Furtherfield; people did all sorts of things...
>>
>> And of course I'm willing to have the list disappear if that's what people
>> want; I'm running two lists, Cybermind and Wryting-L; these are communities
>> and have been for decades. Wryting-L is dedicated to people's
>> writing/writhing/wreathing in - creative work, Cybermind is much quieter
>> now, a community that began in 1994 with me Michael Current who died at a
>> very young age. But we continue on and it's incredibly rewarding.
>>
>> Best, Alan
>>
>> On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 6:46 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour
>> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>>
>> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Thanks for raising the question Alan.
>>
>> I agree with Edward that art as conversation has moved to platforms like
>> Instagram. I follow a lot of early (and not so early) personal net art
>> inspirations there - Auriea Harvey, Kate Southworth, Gretta Louw and Marc
>> Garrett;) - whose work seems to be turning away from reflexive and
>> media-critical concerns and returning to image production for a million
>> reasons.
>>
>> Congratulations Rhea, for your contribution to artistry and explanation in
>> the tough-to-navigate terrain of art blockchain and NFTs - I find your
>> Southebys video an example of clarity and generosity. The breadcrumbs show
>> looks very lively!
>>
>> I find the sharing of links an excellent way to have a kind of conversation
>> because it allows people to port into different conversations where they
>> occur (in their native territory). It's laborious to try and convey all the
>> contexts if everyone isn't involved in the same explorations. I find it
>> harder to follow long textual conversations here in-list.
>>
>> Annie, if you have questions I don't understand why you start with a
>> declaration of hate. I did try (very imperfectly) to respond to questions
>> about NFTs and energy, earlier this year, and I thought we had built some
>> shared understanding in the process. One of the things I struggled with at
>> that time was the realisation that Netbehaviour no longer functioned for me
>> as a community of practice. By which I mean we are no longer united by a
>> spirit of common investigation - where people learn, critique, explore
>> together - the polarisation is too strong. I participate in a number of
>> telegram and discord channels for this purpose now, but I give the most
>> energy to those projects in which I am an active participant. My favourite
>> "conversations" are inter-media and they co-create artistic community. I'd
>> happily talk more about some examples of these (maybe I'll send some links
>> soon;)
>>
>> This list is still very important to me personally - but it somehow sits
>> outside of time and production. This sense is emphasised by Alan's use of it
>> as a daily performance platform- this keeps the list alive and sets a
>> particular tone. I feel it is peopled by a longstanding community of artist,
>> techie and thinker friends, connected by a shared experience of the early
>> web, who are all "becoming" and are sometimes curious about each others'
>> ways and discoveries. The spirit of kind curiosity about art and sociality
>> is what I value most here. It feels like an unmanicured part of the
>> art-nature web, and I learn from it.
>>
>> So...
>>
>> Here's a question we have been talking about at Furtherfield... Is it time
>> for us to hand on the Netbehaviour baton?
>>
>> Perhaps this group of people would be better served by a more focused,
>> structured approach, or another style of approach entirely. Personally, I'd
>> love to see where other people might take it. I can imagine it suddenly
>> shapeshifting into an entirely different creature.
>>
>> What does everyone think? Would anyone like to take it on? Does it feel like
>> the right time?
>>
>> Do let us know. Here or in a private email. We can talk about what it might
>> be, and become.
>>
>> We would be happy to support the baton handover process and I personally
>> would love to come and hang out with you all as someone else's guest; )
>>
>> warmly
>> Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 3:14 AM rhea via NetBehaviour
>> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>>
>> wrote:
>> Heya everyone.
>>
>> Thank you for your kind wishes. I massively appreciate it.
>>
>> I have more (but different) news! Some of the blockchain work I've made
>> since 2014 has got more artworld attention over the last few months. 👀
>>
>> I have work in a show -
>>
>> https://nagel-draxler.de/exhibition/breadcrumbs/
>>
>> An Auction (there's a video of me talking about the work on the page) -
>>
>> https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2021/natively-digital-a-curated-nft-sale-2/secret-artwork-content
>>
>> And a book -
>>
>> http://www.postmediabooks.it/2021/303surfing/9788874903030.htm
>>
>> Also @coin_artist has very kindly credited me as an advisor for a piece that
>> *she* has at auction -
>>
>> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/proof-sovereignty-curated-nft-sale-lady-pheonix/coin-artist-b-1985-18/121279
>>
>> It's interesting to see what grabs people's imagination. And how much money
>> I could have made if I had either worked with NFTs from the start or waited
>> until this year. 😺
>>
>> - Rhea.
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