Simon ..... maybe you missed some links yesterday, I was merely establishing traditional meaning of painting in Wiki Dictionary as a base line to work from but did find your statement contradictory because painting is a three dimensional physical act compared to computer art or art inside of code that enact three dimensional illusion with pixels on a monitor.... to me there is a physical and intellectual difference between the two forms of self expression.The language surrounding computer art, software generated images, direct coding etc' appears to be struggling to identify itself with a clear and distinctive terminology ............. using the social-cultural brush is like walking into a cul-de-sac while trying to climb Mt Everest. There is a material and physical difference between painting and computer imagery on a computer ones paint brushes do not dry out and become unusable...!
Have Fun. Martin. On 16 Mar 2010, at 11:27, Simon Biggs wrote: > I am sorry but it was you, not me, that suggested there was a contradiction > between painting and digital imaging. I was trying to clarify that there is a > difference but not a contradiction. The main point of my argument is that in > these days of post-convergence technologies there is little to be gained from > employing material media-specificity as a prime determiner of difference. We > need to expand what we understand as defining what a medium can be to one > that is primarily engaged with the socio-cultural. Therefore, the cinema is > no longer about film (as in celluloid) and video/TV about the video signal as > both have been replaced by largely digital production processes and delivery > systems. Nevertheless, cinema remains cinema and TV remains TV. They remain > so because of how they are engaged, not due to their technological substrate. > The same is true of painting. All of this can exist within the network > paradigm of media. Again, there is no contradiction. > > Best > > Simon > > > Simon Biggs > > s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ > Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice > http://www.elmcip.net/ > > > From: martin mitchell <martinmitc...@mac.com> > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:43:59 +0000 > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement > > Simon. > > There is a difference not a contradiction ........... > To be more constructive there is an undeniable difference between painting in > traditional description and computer developed images, there is also another > debate within your sweeping statements concerning idea 'what is art'........ > also, Cohen is interesting example because he wanted to move away from > traditional painting but employ a studio assistant to do his paintings via > software language [ he writes code for own App' ] and originally his own > digital printer, in his own words 'software generated figurative art'. > David Smith was pissing on steel before Andy Warhol had asked someone to move > a silk screen squeegee across silk.... > As for the anal statement have no wish to enter your pontificating personal > world! > > martin > > On 15 Mar 2010, at 19:39, Simon Biggs wrote: > >> I see no contradiction between painting and being digital. The art just has >> to involve discrete systems in some manner. There is nothing in the rule >> book that says it has to involve a computer. Mez’s work is digital but can >> be done with pencil and paper. Also, painting no longer has to involve >> paint. Warhol’s piss and rust metal plates were just that, metal plates he >> pissed on and left to rust. They were then presented as effectively >> paintings. To really mix things up Cohen’s paintings made with Aaron are >> both paintings (made with paint) and computer art (made by computer). These >> days it pays not to be anal about definitions. There will always be an >> exception that shows you are wrong. >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> >> s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk >> <x-msg://100/si...@littlepig.org.uk> Skype: simonbiggsuk http:// <http:/> >> www.littlepig.org.uk/ <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/> >> Research Professor edinburgh college of art http:// <http:/> www.eca.ac.uk/ >> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http:// >> <http:/> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >> http:// <http:/> www.elmcip.net/ >> >> >> From: martin mitchell <martinmitc...@mac.com >> <x-msg://100/martinmitc...@mac.com> > >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org <x-msg://100/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > >> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:52:56 +0000 >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org <x-msg://100/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement >> >> Hello. >> >> Please separate the idea of painting from the creation of digital images >> it's a contradiction and makes it difficult for people to understand what >> digital artists are creating........... >> >> Martin Mitchell. >> >> Crispy Nails Animation Studio. >> >> http:// <http:/> www.crispynails.co.uk/ <http://www.crispynails.co.uk/> >> <http:// <http:/> www.crispynails.co.uk/> >> On 15 Mar 2010, at 15:41, Yann Le Guennec wrote: >> >>> My work is about the evolution of painting in a networked environment, >>> both physical and digital, present and distant, in time and space. I >>> make what i call "variable paintings". They address classical themes >>> such as Landscape or Still life. These paintings are not paintings in >>> the sense of concrete objects, but digital pictures produced online by >>> networked devices. This approach does not exclude the possibility of >>> making physical objects from digital pictures, but the composition of >>> these pictures is made online and should primarily be seen online, for >>> example projected in an exhibition space connected to the internet. All >>> devices are built on almost the same model. Visual sensors (eg: >>> photography, stills from video) are taking pictures in an environment, >>> these pictures are transformed by online softwares and then shown to the >>> spectator. Variations in this main model allow each device to address >>> more specific problematics in the field of "networked painting". >>> >>> http:// <http:/> www.yannleguennec.com/ <http://www.yannleguennec.com/> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <x-msg://100/NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>> http:// <http:/> www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <x-msg://100/NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >> http:// <http:/> www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >> >> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number >> SC009201 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC009201 > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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