What Chomsky said then is even truer today; in a way Mike Davis' City of Quartz with its analysis of enclaves/home owners' associations said it all.
I don't want to veer the discussion off-course, just point out that it's difficult to judge behavio(u)r from a distance. For example I personally like Warhol and found/find him much more of a cultural disturbance, being here, than he might appear elsewhere. As for the rise in the art market and alliance w/ capital, I wouldn't blame the artists so much as the deep infrastructural changes that have occurred in both the US and Europe; before Soho's collapse, as prices started to rise, sales seemed mainly to be to Europeans. In the US the relative collapse of granting organizations to individual artists weeded out a lot of subver- sion - not to mention the usual attacks against Serrano, Mappelthorpe, etc. But that is a long and complex story. - Alan On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, Ana Vald?s wrote: > Your post touched me, Alan. I have several friends in NY and they are in > dispair, they all voted for Obama not because they were democrats but > because they wanted a real change. And now they discovered the system is so > mighty it can reproduce itself and Obama is the continuity of Bush, not the > opposite. > I met Noam Chomsky first time 1984, I did a long interview with him for a > large Swedish newespaper. We met in his tiny room at the MIT, he cooked > Nicaraguan coffe in a Primus kitchen. He told me "Ana don't be naiv. The > Democrats and the Republicans are the same party, with similar agendas and > the politic class is ruthless in the both." > Ana > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondh...@panix.com> wrote: > > > I don't want to justify attitudes in the US and can't speak for > Rhizome > for that matter but I do want to say that what's going on here - > Wikileaks > is not as important or violent as some of the other things going > on. Some > examples - Obama keeping the Bush onslaught on the Environmental > Protection Agency in place; his backing the Bush tax cuts for > the rich; > the failure of health-care; the daily dose of ugly racism and > ignorance > from the heart of the Republican party; the increase in violent > crime (at > least here in NY) and increase in homelessness; the long soup > kitchen > lines; the arrogance of the rich and railroading of grass-roots > organizations; the onslaught against immigration and "anchor > babies"; the > constant lies and viciousness of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and > others; the > constant war in Afghanistan and clandestine wars elsewhere; the > ugliness > of a Congress that can't even grant the 9/11 workers decent > healthcare; > the hatred of Muslims; the national debt creating an economy > tottering on > the brink of chaos; minor things like open season for bear > hunting in New > Jersey; the closing of firehouses and other basic care > facilities in NYC; > in other words, the unraveling of a fundamental social fabric > that allows > folks to think about things like Wikileaks; and this sort of > news goes on > daily. We're now 25th in education, 40th in infant mortality; > way down in > quality of life indices; 17th or 18th in terms of lifespan; > highest by a > factor of 2 or 3 in health-care costs; and so forth. I support > Wikileaks > and associated groups; but I worry about suicidal friends, ill > friends, > friends in despair more; and this is where a lot of my mental > energy goes. > This may not explain anything, but it's the best I can do. > > - Alan > > On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, marc garrett wrote: > > > Hi Andreas, > > > > > Subversion is not a political attitude, it is a way of life... > > > > Being a decent human being is considered either negative or a > criminal > > activity in itself. > > > > I have not noticed many art groups in the UK other than ourselves > and > > Mute, discussing all these issues as openly. > > > > Across the sea, Rhizome.org in America is 'silent' regarding the > > wikileaks or student cuts around the world - I would of hoped the > > individuals who run the platform would be brave enough to activate > some > > kind of dialogue around it. And I suppose, what it tells me is that, > > they do not care enough to push these things into the public for > mutual > > dialogue. Yes, I know it may threaten funding, but we have the same > > problems here. > > > > Next week live on Resonance fm, our last broadcast this year - we > are > > holding a minute silence 'live' on the radio to mourn the death of > > education. > > > > All this stuff threatens the existence of furtherfield and the space > we > > have in London plus many projects we are involved in, most of them > > socially engaged - and that's what the government wants to happen. > > > > And all those peer 'art' groups who do not openly challenge the > powers > > that be will be invested in, such as those similar to Rhizome.org > > because they tow the line - and lets not forget that this is not > just a > > national issue, it is an international, neoliberlist attack on > > humanities. And I will not 'ever' forgive those who have so > conveniently > > kept silent, when as others have at least tried to make real changes > in > > culture; deeper than promoting top-down artists and institutional > > drone-art, and product and technologically determined (so called) > art, > > conveyor belt products. Techno-bling is boring, boring, boring, and > shallow. > > > > We have already been warned to stop discussing the current crisis > > regarding cuts and the neoliberlaist situation with our own > community, > > by friends who are well connected to others in power, who are > watching > > us - and it really feels strange and distressing to know that by > openly > > discussing this with you and others, that I may be risking the > future of > > our independent, creative and brilliant individuals and groups who > are > > part our networked communities... > > > > wishing you well. > > > > marc > > > > > > > > > > Shame on our justice systems and the prosecution of our idealistic > > motivated youth, which are threatened all over the world by the > > fillistines called judges > > > > > > More examples of injustice in our so called democracies: > > > > > > Hungary: > > > > > > Asisstence given by child birth at home, imprisoned until at least > > January 2011 > > > > > > Source : chtodelat > > > > > > Us Chigaco > > > > > > Three young women accused of travelling to Palestine put on trial > by > > the FBI > > > > > > Source: hufftington post > > > > > > And so it goes on and on and on > > > > > > What is there to stop falling in a cynical state of mind and a > > profound sadness about the failure of the human project? > > > > > > How to survive in a bitter and cold world without shared ethical > and > > moral principles ? > > > > > > I am deeply depressed by the current situation and can hardly > believe > > it will be better during my lifetime > > > > > > Liberators turn out to be ursurpators in the very end > > > > > > Andreas Maria Jacobs > > > > > > w: http://www.nictoglobe.com > > > w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl > > > > > > On 11 Dec 2010, at 11:24, marc garrett > > <marc.garr...@furtherfield.org> wrote: > > > > > >> Angles On Anonymous. > > >> > > >> "A number of readers are sending in links related to Anonymous, > the > > >> Internet phenomenon ??? don't call them a group ??? behind the > > controversial > > >> DDoS attacks on commercial entities that fail to support > WikiLeaks. The > > >> best insight into Anonymous comes from the Economist's Babbage > blogger, > > >> who hung out in one of their IRC channels > > >> (http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/12/more_wikileaks). > Reader > > >> nk497 points out that UK users looking to join Anonymous's DDoS > army > > >> should be aware they could face a jail term of up to two years > > >> > >(http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/363523/wikileaks-protest-tool-could-c > arry-two-year-jail-stretch); > > >> simply downloading the LOIC software used in the DDoSing could > suffice > > >> to earn a conviction. One 16-year-old has been arrested > > >> > >(http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/first-arrest-made-in-wikil > eaks-revenge-attacks.ars) > > >> in The Netherlands and is charged with participating in the DDoS. > Reader > > >> ancientribe sends in coverage of a claim by one security outfit > that > > >> several existing criminal botnets have joined forces > > >> > >(http://www.darkreading.com/database-security/167901020/security/attacks-br > eaches/228800076/botnet-operators-set-to-join-operation-payback.html) > > >> with Anonymous's Operation: Payback. And reader Stoobalou notes a > > >> Thing.co.uk story on a manifesto of sorts > > >> > >(http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/12/10/who-are-anonymous-and-what-do-they-want/ > ) > > >> that purports to come from "ANON OPS," even though Anonymous > disclaims > > >> any central spokesperson or entity - press release here > > >> (http://dump.no/files/467072ba2a42/ANONOPS_The_Press_Release.pdf) > PDF." > > >> From Slashdot.org > > >> > > >> wishing you well. > > >> > > >> marc > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > > >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > > > == > email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > webpage http://www.alansondheim.org > music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/qv.txt > == > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > -- > http://anavaldes.wordpress.com > http://passagenwerk.wordpress.com > http://caravia.stumbleupon.com > http://www.crusading.se > Gondolgatan 2 l tr > 12832 Skarpn?ck > Sweden > tel +468-943288 > mobil 4670-3213370 > > > "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your > eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long > to return. > ? 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