From a Free Software point of view, anything with radio communication involved is hard because the chips that do the communication tend to use proprietary firmware (they are blobs of code with no source available).
As a phone has at least one more channel of radio communication compared to a laptop, it's even harder to get an entirely free phone. Strangely it's often the camera firmware that's the problem though. :-) My personal laptop has a replacement WiFi chip which does use entirely free firmware. I'm not sure what I'm going to have to do to ensure that I'm still using a free system when I get a new laptop soon (this one is six years old!). - Rob. On Sun, 28 May 2017, at 07:01 AM, aharon wrote: > might also interest people here: > > https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/zerophone/ > > is there a workshop in it..? ;) > > cheers! > > ahanox? > xxx > > May 27 2017 12:51 PM, "aharon" <mis...@spell.blue> wrote: > > Thanks Helen, didn't know of lineageos.org. will try the os.. > > Fairphone.. yes.. I wonder about the price.. out of my range, but is this > > difference in price the > > kind of number, in pounds, euros and other currencies - of a person's > > mobile-linked freedom? > > the price to pay for not working for google's fame and fortune? > > > > cheers! > > > > aharon > > xx > > > > May 24 2017 1:07 PM, "helen varley jamieson" <he...@creative-catalyst.com> > > wrote: > > > >> i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum of > >> alternative operating systems: > >> https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses > >> > >> (i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the > >> standard fairphone kola nut OS) > >> > >> h : ) > >> > >> On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote: > >> > >>> oh.. operating systems.. > >>> just had over a month of being on road and having to keep technologically > >>> cheap yet light.. > >>> hence still suffering android.. > >>> > >>> am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence of > >>> quality free operating system > >>> for mobile devices? > >>> > >>> rant apart 😃 if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os for an > >>> old netbook laptop etc > >>> maybe check puppylinux,? > >>> you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an old or > >>> new netbook > >>> without habing to deal with the commandline bits.. > >>> > >>> ciao from brasilia. > >>> aharon > >>> xxx > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from myMail for Android > >>> > >>> Monday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com: > >>> > >>>> It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a graphic os on > >>>> it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it! > >>>> > >>>> - Alan > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote: > >>>>> It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!). > >>>>> > >>>>> I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH scripts > >>>>> with > >>>>> Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 Anniversary > >>>>> update > >>>>> which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install - and > >>>>> takes 3/4 > >>>>> hour to not install :-( > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory > >>>>>> (like > >>>>>> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser - > >>>>>> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it > >>>>>> working there as well. It comes with the OS, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Alan > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> thanks alan :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly > >>>>>>> everything > >>>>>>> runs! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> h : ) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact > >>>>>>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs > >>>>>>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a > >>>>>>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux > >>>>>>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part, > >>>>>>> lots of terminal stuff. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Good luck with this! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Alan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> hi everyone, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for > >>>>>>> advice about buying a > >>>>>>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now > >>>>>>> happily working with ubuntu > >>>>>>> mate on a no-brand machine :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & > >>>>>>> B-ware (ex-display) > >>>>>>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, > >>>>>>> acer, asus, etc etc ... ) > >>>>>>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. > >>>>>>> nothing was exactly what > >>>>>>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise. > >>>>>>> i had a couple of > >>>>>>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14", > >>>>>>> must have ethernet port, > >>>>>>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that > >>>>>>> narrowed things down quite a > >>>>>>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt > >>>>>>> right. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand > >>>>>>> laptops with linux > >>>>>>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could > >>>>>>> choose the hard drive, > >>>>>>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after > >>>>>>> i ordered it. i took it > >>>>>>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. > >>>>>>> the trickiest thing i've > >>>>>>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it > >>>>>>> to talk nicely to my > >>>>>>> printer - & i managed that without incident. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard > >>>>>>> shortcuts - it's easier to take > >>>>>>> a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?), > >>>>>>> & there are a couple of > >>>>>>> things i still need to work out. & one loss is that > >>>>>>> there are no linux > >>>>>>> drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a > >>>>>>> tethered webcam for now. > >>>>>>> but it is soooo much faster than my old mac, & i've > >>>>>>> found most of the > >>>>>>> software that i need. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> so if anyone else out there is also considering > >>>>>>> making the switch to linux, > >>>>>>> i say - just do it! 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