Now that I think about it, I could see ownership of ephemeral art becoming a thing... an investor is at a party and someone says, "We just bought a De Kooning. It's hanging in our living room." "Well, I just bought 5% in a Pall Thayer and it doesn't even exist any more." Top that!
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 6:09 PM marc.garrett <marc.garr...@protonmail.com> wrote: > Hi Gretta, > > What a soulless slug this person must be. > > This is what I hate about the art world, and sadly - certain aspects of > media art culture has shifted towards this direction, more than ever now. > > It's a double bind for artists -- to get a show one has to be nice to some > of these assholes, or end up becoming like them, and this means they can > get away with a lot nonsense. > > Wishing you well. > > marc > > Marc Garrett > > Marc Garrett > > Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield. > Art, technology and social change, since 1996 > http://www.furtherfield.org > > Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park > Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQ > http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery > Currently writing a PhD at Birkbeck University, London > https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett > Just published: Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain > Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner > Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK > > Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas > > Local Time: 18 October 2017 11:52 AM > UTC Time: 18 October 2017 10:52 > From: gretta.elise.l...@gmail.com > To: marc.garrett <marc.garr...@protonmail.com>, NetBehaviour for > networked distributed creativity <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > > Had another frustrating (yet, fundamentally unsurprising) incident since I > sent that email in which a museum director matter-of-factly told me that > all of the greatest artists in history were men and after I strenuously > argued against that, we continued discussing the work we were cooperating > on… well let’s just say that in the end, a few days later, the museum > decided that they didn’t have the budget after all to acquire the piece of > mine that they’d been interested in. I wonder what changed?? ;) > > > > > On 18. Oct 2017, at 10:40, marc.garrett <marc.garr...@protonmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Gretta, > > I scrolled the page & just saw that it was mainly men, perhaps it's > synonymous with aspects of Modernism ;-) > > wishing you well. > > marc > > Marc Garrett > > Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield. > Art, technology and social change, since 1996 > http://www.furtherfield.org > > Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park > Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQ > http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery > Currently writing a PhD at Birkbeck University, London > https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett > Just published: Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain > Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner > Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK > > Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas > Local Time: 16 October 2017 2:11 PM > UTC Time: 16 October 2017 13:11 > From: sondh...@panix.com > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > > > Body Art was both male and female, Gina Pane, Collette, Marina Abramovich, > etc. but also Vito Acconci, Dennis Oppenheim, Genesis P. Orridge, but also > Hannah Wilke, etc. A pretty mixed group. Most of the hard-core > conceptualists were male, but there are also Adrian Piper, the Guerilla > Girls, Alice Aycock and Nancy Wilson Kitchel, Martha Wilson, etc., who > spanned conceptualism and physical/person production as well. > > - Alan > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote: > > It?s interesting to me that artists working with immaterial / non-existent > artworks in the past are so overwhelmingly male, but I don?t know yet what > it > means? > http://www.modernedition.com/art-articles/absence-in-art/the-invisible-artw > ork.html Something perhaps about the other side of the body art coin > perhaps? > > On 15. Oct 2017, at 17:15, ruth catlow > <ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org> wrote: > > I'd be up for thinking this one through. > Let's do it. > On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote: > Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the > first one hadn't worked. > > On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote: > Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create > a conceptual work of art that didn't actually exist > at all - we could use some ideas from Curt > Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it - > and market shares in it via the Blockchain? Proceeds > to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a > trillion dollars, in which case I want a cut. > > Edward > > On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow > wrote: > Perfectly put Helen! > > Art reframed as a new asset class for > fractional ownership ain't my idea of utopia. > """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down > again. This, she supposed, was the aspect of art > that she had the most difficulty understanding. > Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking > with a broker in New York, arranging the purchase of > a certain number of "points" of the work of a > particular artist. A "point" might be defined in any > number of ways, depending on the medium involved, > but it was almost certain that Picard would never > see the works he was purchasing. If the artist > enjoyed sufficient status, the originals were very > likely crated away in some vault, where no one saw > them at all. Days or years later, Picard might pick > up that same phone and order the broker to sell. 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