Hi Gretta,
What a soulless slug this person must be.
This is what I hate about the art world, and sadly - certain aspects of media
art culture has shifted towards this direction, more than ever now.
It's a double bind for artists -- to get a show one has to be nice to some of
these assholes, or end up becoming like them, and this means they can get away
with a lot nonsense.
Wishing you well.
marc
Marc Garrett
Marc Garrett
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas
> Local Time: 18 October 2017 11:52 AM
> UTC Time: 18 October 2017 10:52
> From: gretta.elise.l...@gmail.com
> To: marc.garrett <marc.garr...@protonmail.com>, NetBehaviour for networked
> distributed creativity <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org>
>
> Had another frustrating (yet, fundamentally unsurprising) incident since I
> sent that email in which a museum director matter-of-factly told me that all
> of the greatest artists in history were men and after I strenuously argued
> against that, we continued discussing the work we were cooperating on… well
> let’s just say that in the end, a few days later, the museum decided that
> they didn’t have the budget after all to acquire the piece of mine that
> they’d been interested in. I wonder what changed?? ;)
>
>> On 18. Oct 2017, at 10:40, marc.garrett <marc.garr...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gretta,
>>
>> I scrolled the page & just saw that it was mainly men, perhaps it's
>> synonymous with aspects of Modernism ;-)
>>
>> wishing you well.
>>
>> marc
>>
>> Marc Garrett
>>
>> Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield.
>> Art, technology and social change, since 1996
>> [http://www.furtherfield.org](http://www.furtherfield.org/)
>>
>> Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park
>> Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQhttp://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
>> Currently writing a PhD at Birkbeck University, London
>> https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett
>> Just published: Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain
>> Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner
>> Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK
>>
>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email.
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Maecenas
>>> Local Time: 16 October 2017 2:11 PM
>>> UTC Time: 16 October 2017 13:11
>>> From: sondh...@panix.com
>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>> <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org>
>>>
>>> Body Art was both male and female, Gina Pane, Collette, Marina Abramovich,
>>> etc. but also Vito Acconci, Dennis Oppenheim, Genesis P. Orridge, but also
>>> Hannah Wilke, etc. A pretty mixed group. Most of the hard-core
>>> conceptualists were male, but there are also Adrian Piper, the Guerilla
>>> Girls, Alice Aycock and Nancy Wilson Kitchel, Martha Wilson, etc., who
>>> spanned conceptualism and physical/person production as well.
>>>
>>> - Alan
>>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Gretta Louw wrote:
>>>
>>>> It?s interesting to me that artists working with immaterial / non-existent
>>>> artworks in the past are so overwhelmingly male, but I don?t know yet what
>>>> it
>>>> means?http://www.modernedition.com/art-articles/absence-in-art/the-invisible-artw
>>>> ork.html Something perhaps about the other side of the body art coin
>>>> perhaps?
>>>>
>>>> On 15. Oct 2017, at 17:15, ruth catlow
>>>> <
>>>> ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd be up for thinking this one through.
>>>> Let's do it.
>>>> On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote:
>>>> Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the
>>>> first one hadn't worked.
>>>>
>>>> On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote:
>>>> Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create
>>>> a conceptual work of art that didn't actually exist
>>>> at all - we could use some ideas from Curt
>>>> Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it -
>>>> and market shares in it via the Blockchain? Proceeds
>>>> to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a
>>>> trillion dollars, in which case I want a cut.
>>>>
>>>> Edward
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Perfectly put Helen!
>>>>
>>>> Art reframed as a new asset class for
>>>> fractional ownership ain't my idea of utopia.
>>>> """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down
>>>> again. This, she supposed, was the aspect of art
>>>> that she had the most difficulty understanding.
>>>> Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking
>>>> with a broker in New York, arranging the purchase of
>>>> a certain number of "points" of the work of a
>>>> particular artist. A "point" might be defined in any
>>>> number of ways, depending on the medium involved,
>>>> but it was almost certain that Picard would never
>>>> see the works he was purchasing. If the artist
>>>> enjoyed sufficient status, the originals were very
>>>> likely crated away in some vault, where no one saw
>>>> them at all. Days or years later, Picard might pick
>>>> up that same phone and order the broker to sell. """
>>>>
>>>> - William Gibson, "Count Zero", 1986.
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