On 29 Mar 2019, at 6:32, William Waites wrote:

It seems to me it is a question of where you draw the system boundary. If the system is an aeroplane that is flying, then the recording device is not part of the control loop and it is not a cybernetic tool in that context. If the system is the one that adjusts and optimises designs according to successes and failures, then the recording device definitely is part of the control loop and
it is a cybernetic tool.

This is where 'classical' cybernetics drew the line. Second-order cybernetics, which came later (late '60s through the mid/late '70s) and focused on the 'observing systems' rather than the 'observed systems,' drew that line differently. I don't have a solid enough grasp of the work of people like Heinz von Foerster and Gordon Pask to say with any certainty how and where they'd draw it, but in general their approach was more discursive and less, in a word, macho. So they'd be less interested in the isolated 'technical' performance of a single plane or a single flight and more interested in how people made sense of those technical systems — for example, through the larger regulatory framework that Scot spoke of: regular reviews of the data generated and recorded during every flight. Scot's note was a helpful reminder that the purpose of a black box is just to duplicate and store a subset of flight data in case every other source of info is destroyed. In that view, it doesn't matter so much that the black box itself is input-only, because it's just one component in a tangle of dynamic systems — involving humans and machines — that 'optimize' the flight at every level, from immediate micro-decisions by the flight staff to after-the-fact macro-analyses by the corporation, its vendors, regulatory agencies, etc. The only reason we hear about (or even know of) black boxes is that they fit neatly into larger cultural narratives that rely on 'events' — i.e., crashes. But we don't hear about these countless other devices and procedures when things go right. Instead, they just 'work' and disappear into the mysterious 'system.'

(As a side note, this brings us back to why Felix's overview of how different regimes contend with complexity is so stunning — 'complexity' is a product of specific forms of human activity, not some mysterious natural force:

        https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1903/msg00127.html

His message reminds me very much of what I love about Marshall Sahlins's work and, in a different way, of Moishe Postone's _Time, Labor, and Social Domination_: basically, 'complexity' is immanent.)

But back to my point: Morlock's original take about the Boeing 737 crashes and how this thread unfolded, or at least to one of the areas where Brian and I seemed to part ways. It's easy to lose sight of the larger dimensions and implications of these human–machine assemblages. For example, media coverage very quickly focuses on detailed specialist subjects, like the design of the MCAS system that's failed on 737s; then, a few days later, it suddenly leaps to a totally different order and focuses on regulatory issues, like the US FAA's growing reliance on self-regulation by vendors. We've grown accustomed to this kind of non-narrative trajectory from countless fiascos; and we know what sometimes comes next, 'investigative journalism,' that is, journalism that delves into the gruesome technical details and argues, in essence, that these technical details are metonyms for larger problems, and that we can use them as opportunities for social action and reform of 'the system.'

This journalistic template has a history. I know the US, other nettimers will know how it played out in other regions and countries. A good, if slightly arbitrary place to start is Rachel Carson's 1962 book _Silent Spring_ and Ralph Nader's 1965 book _Unsafe at Any Speed_. (It isn't an accident that Carson's work opened up onto environmental concerns, whereas Nader's was more geeky in its focus on technology and policy: there's an intense gender bias in how journalism identifies 'issues.') From there, the bulk of ~investigative journalism shifted to militarism (i.e., Vietnam: defoliants like Agent Orange, illegal bombing campaigns), political corruption (Watergate), intelligence (mid-'70s: the Pike and Church committees looking into CIA abuses etc), nuclear power (Three Mile Island), military procurement, policy and finance (HUD, the S&Ls, etc), etc, etc. I've left out lots of stuff, but that's the basic drift, although these decades also saw an immense rise of investigative focus on environmental issues. Whether the results of all that environmental work have been satisfying I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.

That template goes a long way toward explaining how and why journalistic coverage of 'tech' is so ineffectual now. It can't get its arms around *the* two big issues: the extent to which the US has become a laboratory for national-scale experiments in cognitive and behavioral studies, and the pathological political forms that 'innovation' is enabling around the world. The US has ironclad regulations and norms about experimenting on human subjects, which are enforced with brutal mania in academia. But, somehow, we haven't been able to apply them to pretty much everything Silicon Valley does. Instead, we get ridiculous kerfuffles about Facebook experimenting with making people 'sad' or the tangle around Cambridge Analytica, which is both real and borderline-paranoiac. The blurriness of that boundary is a by-product of, if you like, the micro-epistemological divide that separates general journalism and investigative journalism. We're terrible at 'scaling' this kind of analysis or down: either from subtract to concrete, by saying 'WTF is going on?!' and channeling it into broad, effective limitations on what infotech companies can do, or from concrete to abstract, by catching companies like FB doing dodgy stuff then hauling them in front of Congress and asking 'where else does this approach apply?' (Europe has been much better at this, but the cost of doing so is other train wrecks like the fiasco with Articles 11 and 13.)

That was precisely the divide that started this thread, when Brian attacked Morlock over whether the MCAS system was a discrete implementation of AI. Brian was right, but my point was that it doesn't matter because Morlock's broader point was right and (imo) matters much more. Does the MCAS mechanism in Boeing's 7373 implement AI properly speaking? Who cares? Are Boeing and all the other aircraft manufacturers drowning in misplaced faith in machine 'intelligence' in every aspect of their operations? Yes. And does that misplaced faith extend far beyond individual companies? Yes. And the result is a systemic failure to think critically about where this misplaced faith is leading. The standard technophilic response is to universalize ideas like 'technology,' 'innovation,' and 'complexity,' and to argue that they're inexorably built into the very fabric of the universe and therefore historically inevitable. But none of that is true: what *is* true, as Felix argued, is that 'complexity' is an externality of human activity, and that we seem to be doing a crap job of imagining political economies that can strike a balance between our discoveries, on the one hand, and human dignity, on the other.

We need some sort of global Pigouvian tax on complexity: a way to siphon off the profits generated by messing around the edges of complexity and invest it in, for lack of a better word, simplicity. If we last long enough, we might even get it; but, like Morlock, I fear it'll take a true global catastrophe for people to realize that. Why? Because the best 'actually existing' institutions we have now — representative government, the media, extra- and supra-national entities like coordinating bodies, and (LOLZ) stuff like nettime — all get lost when they try to cross the divide between general and specialized forms of knowledge.

And that, BTW, is why second-order cybernetics is so relevant: it was interested in observing systems rather than observed systems. It's also why, wording aside, Morlock's first impulse was right: addressing this problem will require an end to corporate obfuscation of liability and identifying exactly who, within these faceless edifices, is making specific choices that betray the public trust. He doesn't seem to think we can manage it; I think we can. But squabbling over the fact that he said 'burning people at the stake' won't help — which is, again, why I asked:

And that begs an important question that leftoids aren't prepared to answer because, in a nutshell, they're allergic to power: what *would* be appropriate punishments for people who, under color of corporate activity, engage in indiscriminate abuses of public trust.

Cheers,
Ted

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