The hardest part about computer science is the naming of things. On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:05 PM BishopZ <xchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is netttime? > Same as Diaspora- may they rest in peace? > Byzantine perhaps? > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 5:41 PM BishopZ <xchic...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [image: wSxgs.png] >> >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:32 PM André Rebentisch <tabe...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Am 01.07.19 um 15:49 schrieb Max Herman: >>> > >>> > Hi André, >>> > >>> > Which of the formerly valuable lists are dead? I'm very far out of the >>> > loop working mostly offline for the last decade. >>> >>> Dear Max, >>> >>> almost all lists I am subscribed to. Simply members are not posting >>> anymore. I still read nettime. I still get lots of newsletters via list >>> infrastructure channels. >>> >>> Inter-Media Transition is normal. We have other means of online >>> communications. telegram groups, facebook groups, twitter, yodel, slack, >>> mattermost etc. Before usenet groups with their odd clients and rude >>> channel rules became obsolete. >>> >>> A simple method to kill a mailing list is spam. Or low quality >>> communications. Or dumping all kinds of communication into the list. Or >>> opening the mail archive to the general public without asking for prior >>> consent (happened on Liberationtech). Open Archives in return could lead >>> to legal risks in Germany, what do you do as a mailing list admin when >>> you face court injunctions to remove copyrighted or defamatory content >>> from list archives etc. You simply can't risk to let removed content pop >>> up again after an archive regeneration etc. >>> >>> Or other kinds of risks with ML public archives, I just recall an >>> exchange with RMS who didn't bother to call out the president of >>> Zimbabwe on a mailing list frequented by free software people of that >>> country where archives were kindly indexed by google. RMS insisted on >>> his right to free speech. Well, how nice to exercise your rights to >>> converse with people when an incautious reply (which your rant incites) >>> could get them killed or set behind bars and otherwise they cannot >>> respond on equal footing plus all you do is put your associates at risk. >>> >>> Mailman still has a horrible user interface. Often moderators don't >>> moderate anymore because there was too much spam, default settings are >>> suboptimal, spam filtering remains sub-standard. I have no idea why no >>> org financed a Mailman replacement or Mailman NG project. >>> >>> You could also observe the same phenomenon of declining list >>> communications on open source developer lists. Occasionally dead >>> communication channels come to new light. >>> >>> Encrypted mailing lists exist. Almost no one uses them. >>> >>> > One aspect of mailing lists is that they are a powerful example of a >>> > free public sphere (and maybe its most essential expression regardless >>> > of technological advancement). You can put a bunch of content in an >>> > email, and it can go to literally everyone on the planet. >>> >>> Yet who is keeping a record? And how to curate email exchanges? >>> >>> > All that said, a listserv is only as good as its content. If no one >>> > creates any content that is relevant, nothing that cannot be gotten >>> > better elsewhere, then why bother with the noisy clamor of a list? >>> >>> Attention is limited. The time people spent to acknowledge and oppose >>> the latest outrage, the daily trump tweet etc., is missing for serious >>> debate and thought. >>> >>> Online speech is Karl Kraus on steroids, always picking the >>> insignificant targets, always declaration of persons as enemies, always >>> hate mobs that try to engage us. >>> >>> Dialogue becomes impossible as we don't talk with each other anymore but >>> to (at times imaginary) third parties. As "Nick Nailor" (Aaron Eckhart) >>> explained in Thank you for Smoking: "Because I'm not after you, I am >>> after them". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLS-npemQYQ >>> >>> 20 years ago there was a common sentiment that open low-censored online >>> debates, even rude ones, contribute to a better and more open society... >>> only if we would spread the technology to ignorant people from the past >>> and institutions. Like in that previous Ito quote everyone had his or >>> her pivotal moment. >>> >>> Best, >>> André >>> >>> >>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >>> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >>> >> >> >> -- >> ((º Ω º)) >> >> http://bishopZ.com >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> > > > -- > ((º Ω º)) > > http://bishopZ.com > _______________________________________________________________________ > -- ((º Ω º)) http://bishopZ.com _______________________________________________________________________
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