On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 19:13, Tom Brinkman wrote: > BUT, did you inspect those 8 mo. old caps? ...and why did the first > mobo havt'a be replaced in the first place? ...caps? It's a damn > shame 'cause Asus use to be reliable and high performance products. > Among the OCr's favorites. Actually I don't mean to single them out, > Abit is much much worse for much longer, and all the mobo vendors > have been slide'n down hill since about '98. Even MSI and Gigabyte. > Soyo seems to be holdin up, even gain ground. >
OK, now. I have to step in here in defense of Abit. This is one of the original alerts on the bad capacitor issue: SEE: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/feb03/ncap.html Excerpt from the above URL: "So far, the only motherboard maker to admit to the problem is ABIT Computer Corp. (Taipei), and the only major PC maker to acknowledge being affected is IBM Corp. But the problem is likely to be more widespread. Indeed, those who have repaired the damaged boards say that they have encountered crippled motherboards from Micro-Star International, ASUSTek Computer, Gigabyte Technology, and others." So from the standpoint that Abit has traditionally put out very outstanding products, and from the standpoint that they are just about the only ones that are being honest about the problem, it is lopsided to single them out as being "much much worse." I happen to HAVE an Abit mobo and it's the best I've ever owned. And I've owned a mobo or two, since I used to fabricate for a living. Asus, on the other hand, has traditionally tended to produce mobos with less than 7 slots, sometimes with wierd freako connectors whose standards nobody understands or really cares about. That's my only beef with them. Other than that, their mobos are most of the time the fastest around, and usually they can trash the other ones in the (non-overclocking) vanilla benches, Soyo and Abit included, assuming they don't do overclocking and test the boards vanilla, which is what everybody does anyway. The reason I chose Abit was threefold: One, because of the flexibility of the overclocker bios, which is the most flexible one around for tweaking CPU's. So even if my buddy next door has a soyo or asus, I can STILL outperform his mobo in the quake 3 demo benches cause my Abit allows better tweaking. Two, the mobo had no stupid onboard crap like sound, or lan or anything else that I use cards for because I might want to upgrade that feature later on. Granted, this is not true anymore for anybody when you look at all of the newer boards. Three, the Abit layout usually gives you the maximum amount of slots. They traditionally have had the most beautiful layouts. I've got a Lian Li aluminum case with eight slots available and dammit I want to use at least seven of them. The real man's mobo's used to come with eight slots available. Before I quit here, I will say that Soyo has got some beautiful layouts as well. They are one of the companies that has listened to consumer/overclocker demand and has produced boards with 7 slots. After all, I want to give credit where credit is due. TOM. :) LX -- 같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같� Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Mandrake Cooker 9.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.1-1mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ 같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같�
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