On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 21:52, Frankie wrote:
> Hi Rikona,
> 

> You are quiet right, for normal browsing you have (or should have) the right
> to be "nobody".
> but for any sort of shopping, you are hurting youself more then anyone else
> by blocking any means to make sure you are who you say you are.
> 

> Thats a very basic example, but you can see how being able to get your IP,
> referer and whatnot can make it much much harder for someone else to pretend
> to be you. Its still possibly to spoof all that, but it is much more
> complicated.
> 
> If you shopping as "nobody", your very easy to copy aren't you???
But most of the time (and this is one of the reasons that I will not buy
on line) they want a lot of  information before you can even price check
an item
> 
> 
> 
> rgds
> 
> Franki
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of rikona
> Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 12:13 PM
> To: Frankie
> Subject: Re[2]: [newbie] Privacy in linux?
> 
> 
> Hello Frankie,
> 
> Sunday, June 8, 2003, 7:08:01 PM, you wrote:
> 
> F> privacy in browsering is cool..
> 
> And getting rarer with time. :-(((
> 
> F> just keep in mind that you have no right to expect ecommerce apps to work
> if
> F> you make all authentication methods non functional...
> 
> If I'm ordering something, I don't expect to be anonymous, of course,
> but why do I have to be authenticated if I am just visiting a site?
> 
> Why would you force me to accept a cookie from someone who is trying
> to track my every move on the net?
> 
> Why would I want to accept a script designed to snoop in my computer
> as much as possible?
> 
> If I have trouble with a site, I'll go to another one. One usually
> gets a few in Google. :-) If EVERY  site I find is disfunctional, I'll
> buy it locally if I can. If not, I'll call their 800 number and read
> the item from the screen. If at all possible, I will NOT deal with an
> intrusive merchant!
> 
> F> We have precious little authentication methods available to us now.
> F> If people all start spoofing their details online then no-one can
> F> expect this stuff to work anymore.
> 
> Why not? Perhaps I am not understanding what you mean by
> authentication.
> 
> F> my point is turn it off when using online apps.
> 
> It would seem as though that is where it is needed most. Am I missing
> something?
> 
> It seems as though the basis for placing ads is to track every move of
> the user. A bit like someone following me around. I drive to a store,
> they record the path I took to get there. When I get out of the car,
> they follow me in the store. They record everything I look at in the
> store, especially if I pick it up, and if I come back to look that
> gets recorded too. If I buy something, the purchase is recorded. In
> many cases the name, address, phone, email address are sent to the
> advertiser to sell on some list for spammers.
> 
> Now if someone was doing that physically, would you not object and
> consider it an invasion of privacy?
> 
> Please tell me why it is so hard to build an app that just lets me
> visit and look around anonymously.
> 
> --
> Thank you,
>  rikona                            mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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