Ok, the discussion seems to be in full bloom here, so I don't hold back...
On Wednesday 09 July 2003 23:15, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > >On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:52:53 -0400 > > > >"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > >>I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I > >>saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing > >>harm...I've got a gun....would you rather have me intervene, using my > >>legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because > >>of your views/feelings about guns??? > > > >ah, yes, the ancient art of fear-mongering, the specialty of the > >clueless and uneducated, also Nazis, Tyrants, Warmongers, etc. > > The Nazis banned guns as soon as they could to keep the citizenry from > fighting back when they screwed them. The nazis were right-wing. (has nothing to do with your point, but I just wanted to say it) > >did you know that it is 10 times more likely for you to be killed by a > >relative or friend than a "bunch of crazy thugs"? No. I thought not. > > > >Did you know that the incidence of "random" or "home invasion" > >killings/rapes/robberies has been on the decline in Canada for over a > >decade thanks to the police not having to worry about everybody and > >their dog not having a handgun? No. I thought not. > > That's not even remotely true. Home invasion has gone up considerably, > as has violent crimes, and armed robberies, in every country that has > implemented a total ban on guns. PLEASE, show some prove for your statements. Please show me some URLs (not some right-wing books that are not worth my money, or at least some quotes and statistics from the books, because I will not buy them to look it up). Show me that "firearms prevent more crimes than they are used in/cause" as you said it. Tell my why america has some 12000 gun-related deaths (quoting from memory) [although in: http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/new/guns97.pdf there is 34'000 to 39'000 gun-related deaths each year. (measured 1993-1996)] while others like Germany with more strict gun-controls have 400? It's quite a difference. In USA 14 people per 100'000 die per year involving firearms. That is only superceded by Jamaika and Brasil. (Germany has 1.4 [that is 10% of US of A rate], Greece 1.87, Japan 0.07.....) source: United Nations International Study on Firearm Regulation http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/firearms/index.htm The report: http://www.uncjin.org/Documents/6comm/4e.pdf Some URL like that maybe? Not some racists book... > Use your brain. > > There is a reason people don't go up and mess with Pit Bulls an such > powerful animals. They don't want to get hurt. The reason why these dogs get outlawed here is exactly the same as why guns are restricted: _look_ at them. I don't want those fucked up people who own a Pit Bull have one. As I don't want those brain-dead alcoholic gun-crazy redneck to have one. In fact I am more afraid of these than all robbers and criminals at all. The more guns, the more they will be used, the more will die. Simple and easy. > Criminals are generally > cowards, but they are not neccesarily stupid. They would much rather > try to rob, rape or kill someone who they know is unable to defend > themselves than someone they either know, or suspect, might be armed and > capable of putting them in a large pine box. Watch too much TV lately? b.
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