that is really weird!  I've done four installs of
mandrake 8 so far and they have all been subtely
different.  I did a "recommended" install on my
brothers machine and it yielded a system that was
windows for all intents and purposes.  

I'm not sure of the exact numbers as far as size/bit
rate goes between mp3 and ogg but if you look at
http://www.vorbis.com  I bet you can find that info.

What I do know is that every mp3 I've ever heard
sounded hollow to me like all the midrange had been
scooped out.  Ogg's sound full and rich and the
highest quality gives small enough files that I don't
have to trade off between free space on disk and sound
quality.

Abe
--- michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 April 2001 21:07, you wrote:
> > I did an expert install of 8.0 and grip was setup
> to
> > make mp3's using bladeenc
> I did expert install too, and my grip default was
> ogg and the bladeenc prog 
> isn't even on either of my cd's (inst or ext) and my
> md5 sums checked...go 
> figure!
> >
> > I immediately changed it to make .oggs cause they
> > sound better and are about the same size as mp3's.
> >
> > Xmms should play .oggs by the way.  There is an
> > xmms-ogg-vorbis package on the cd's that you can
> > install to make it work.
> I know it should however there is no xmms-ogg-vorbis
> package on either of my 
> cd's....
> >
> > Give em a try.  I've got 40 full albums in .ogg
> format
> > (highest quality levels too) and they take up
> about
> > 2.5 gigs.
> I know that mp3 encoding at 128 Kbps
> uses@1meg/minute.
> How do oggs compare??
> >
> >
> > Abe
> >
> > --- Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > michael wrote:
> > > > I just spent half an hour using grip to grip
> some
> > >
> > > mp3's. 8.0 fresh install.
> > >
> > > > Right. The mp3 directory created has all these
> > >
> > > .ogg files, all of uniform
> > >
> > > > size (128) and unplayable on xmms. The only
> thing
> > >
> > > I changed from the stock
> > >
> > > 128 is the bitrate it was recorded at.
> > >
> > > > setup was the encoding bitrate under
> > >
> > > config>mp3>options.
> > >
> > > The default configuration comes set to create
> > > oggvorbis (sp?).  Change
> > > the encoder to lame or bladeenc and change the
> name
> > > to .mp3 and see how
> > > it works.  You will undoubtedly have to install
> the
> > > rpms yourself.  lame
> > > is included on CD2, but bladeenc is on neither
> CD
> > > (in my quick
> > > search...I might have overlooked it).
> > > --
> > > tlyons at mandrakesoft dot com
> > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en
> >
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