In short, I agreee.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PENA FAMILY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] curious ....
> 
> 
> I enjoy Linux and I have spent hours learning and playing with it, but
> frankly and with all due respect to others in this forum and lovers of
> Linux, you just can't really get any work done with it. I am 
> either having to install patches or make adjustments every time I need to 
> do something or want to do something. Thats the real flaw with Linux not
support or
> application choice but you just don't boot up click click and 
> get something to work tha easily and quickly. Many of you have provided so

> much help to us newbies but your past experience and with some of you with
a 
> formal UNIX education go through command lines as if they were just plain 
> englsih(or perspective native language). Personally, I don't get excited
and find
> command lines boring and unnecessary. With a GUI it is point 
> and click and so on. It is not lazy or an aide to the stupid. Frankly, not

> everyone who has a car wants a manual transmission or work on it to make 
> the adjustment so that car runs the way the owner wants it to.
> 

Yup, this same car argument has been made again and again, and I agree with
you. As a developer that writes both unix backend systems and window
front-ends, it's far easier to build the command line tool than the GUI.  I
do not believe GUIs are for the lazy or the idiot user.  There is a certain
art in designing a usable GUI and it's quite a challenge. A bad GUI can make
the command line tool a godsend but that is a problem with the specifc GUI
not GUIs in general.  I will always prefer using a good GUI to a command
tool if it's available.  Linux has quite a share of bad GUIs (pet peeve, pop
up windows that place themselves arbitrary around your desktop instead of
being front and center).

But it takes a lot of effort to front end an application.  Most developers
are more interested in writing code than writing human-computer interfaces.

> I love Linux but I can honestly say as unbias observer Linux 
> is not for the common person. So far all the usrs I have encountered are 
> techies, wanna be techies, hackers(as in enjoyers of software and not a 
> cracker) and those with a formal UNIX education. As Linux moves to become
easier 
> I think it is losing that thing that has given the rise and recognition. 
> Still though evolution has a funny way of throwing a monkey wrench into 
> the mix now and then. I am curious to see what the future holds for all
OS.
> 
> Again just my two cents I invite others opinion but not insults.
>

The hard part about critizing linux and linux software is that it's all done
by volunteers.  
So how do you critize something that no one is forcing you to use or pay for
to use.  It's a
place to be in.  There is a delicate line that one must tread so that an
issue doesn't sound
like a complaint but instead a suggestion.

There are lot's of people working really really hard to make the linux
experience a nice one. And
there a lot's of other people who don't really care about this aspect of the
linux culture.  Try 
not to get caught up in those arguments.

cheers!

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