I just answered to your bad example of complain to nhibernate.
So, sorry for not being so mature as you, but I still can't get your point.

2010/8/28 Frans Bouma <[email protected]>

> > Frans, are you asking for an "adult developer" and showing this post? in
> the
> > same mail?
> >
> > This post is bad joke and meaningless.
> > * I like having options, Hql and Linq, because some queries in Linq are a
> > PITA.
> > * I can deal with assemblies.
> > * I do believe in opensource way of doing things, community-driven, and I
> > think it works very well in nhibernate.
> >
> > and at the end the guy said :
> >
> > "The situation is frustrating because NHibernate is currently my data
> access
> > tool of choice. For all of its shortcomings I do not know of a better
> > alternative. "
> >
> > so WTF? A criticism to nhibernate that ends with "I do not know a better
> > alternative", Lets suppose that there is a better alternative and he
> doesn't
> > know yet... This better alternative has failed already, because he can't
> > find it, so it doesn't have any wikis, blogs or so. Then .... is not
> better
> > at all. I wouldn't trust in something like that.
>
>         *sigh*.
>
>        Did you even read the first line of that post? Anyway, it was an
> _example_.
>        And what's your point exactly, Jose? I asked a serious question, got
> a stupid childish reply back. Your post is also an illustration how mature
> some people are on this list. Sorry I *asked* a question about how things
> are done, because ofcourse that has to be slammed down quickly with replies
> like yours, burrying the real point.
>
>                FB
>
> > 2010/8/28 Frans Bouma <[email protected]>
> >
> >
> >       Serious question: why are you mocking my serious post? Is it so
> hard
> > for you
> >       to act as an adult developer for once? Was it again me who was out
> of
> > line,
> >       Fabio? FFS!
> >
> >       It's not me who noticed it first btw:
> >       http://hackingon.net/post/A-Criticism-of-NHibernate.aspx
> >
> >       Anyway, the 'dev list' you mentioned has had no debate about a
> > feature since
> >       I subscribed months ago.
> >
> >       Unf**king believeable.
> >
> >              FB
> >
> >
> >
> >       > ahh... bureaucratic stuff. ok
> >       > Some features are proposed by users in JIRA. If the feature is
> > trivial
> >       then
> >       > it is discussed directly in the comments of JIRA ticket; where no
> > trivial
> >       is
> >       > discussed and voted by the wind-team in the NH's wind-dev-list.
> >       > Some other features, as for example QueryOver, come from contrib
> > projects;
> >       > how include, what include and how implements the idea in the core
> > is
> >       > partially discussed and voted by the wind-team in the NH's wind-
> > dev-list,
> >       > and partially discussed, in private, by wind-team's members as,
> in
> > this
> >       > case, Richard Wind Brown, Oren Wind Eini and Fabio Wind Maulo.
> >       >
> >       > The features proposed by wind-team's member are discussed and
> voted
> > by the
> >       > wind-team in the NH's wind-dev-list. (you can observe this
> behavior
> > in
> >       > various cases in the wind-dev-list history as for example the old
> > linq-
> >       > provider, the proposal of ConfORM, the remotion of some strongly
> > reference
> >       > as Castle, log4net, etc. etc.)
> >       >
> >       > There are some features that does not need a deep discussion
> > because
> >       > NHibernate is :".NET port of the excellent Java Hibernate which
> > provides
> >       > Object/Relational mapping to persist objects in a relational
> > database."
> >       > These features follows a similar procedure but, this time, in the
> >       > Hibernate's wind-team.
> >       >
> >       > To be short: "Wind" is the second or third name of each
> > NHibernate's team
> >       > member.
> >       >
> >       > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Frans Bouma <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >       Though who adds the features and who decides which ones are
> >       > implemented?
> >       >       That's what I meant. I'm not suggesting BDUF, I'm
> suggesting
> > a step
> >       > back
> >       >       from the framework and look at what should be done, then
> add
> > those
> >       > tasks,
> >       >       ask volunteers to develop them from front to back (that
> > means: code,
> >       > design
> >       >       decision description doc (for maintainability), tests and
> >       > documentation
> >       >       (!)).
> >       >
> >       >              FB
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >       > The wind come from here
> >       >       >
> http://nhforge.org/wikis/howtonh/nhibernate-features.aspx
> >       >       >
> <http://nhforge.org/wikis/howtonh/nhibernate-features.aspx>
> >       >       >
> >       >
> >
> http://nhibernate.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/nhibernate/trunk/nhibern
> >       > ate/rel
> >       >       > easenotes.txt?revision=5159&view=markup
> >       >       > http://nhforge.org/blogs/nhibernate/
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >
> >
> <http://nhibernate.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/nhibernate/trunk/nhiber
> >       > nate/re
> >       >
> >       >       > leasenotes.txt?revision=5159&view=markup> for work done
> > after
> >       > Alpha2
> >       >
> >       >       release
> >       >       > the wind come from here
> >       >       >
> >       >
> >
> http://216.121.112.228/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10000&versio
> >       > n=10320
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >
> >
> <http://216.121.112.228/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10000&versi
> >       > on=1032
> >       >
> >       >       > 0> if somebody want to know from where will come the wind
> > in the
> >       > next
> >       >
> >       >       future
> >       >       > http://216.121.112.228/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Frans Bouma <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       Though, it might be good to make a list of features
> > which
> >       are
> >       > must-
> >       >       > have
> >       >       >       features for 3.0 so focus can be given to those.
> Now
> > it
> >       looks
> >       > like
> >       >       it
> >       >       >       depends on the direction where the wind comes from.
> >       >       >
> >       >       >              FB
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       > I'd say it's pretty stable, thanks to continuous
> >       > integration.
> >       >       >       > Only new areas (Linq, QueryOver, etc) are seeing
> > major
> >       > changes;
> >       >       > everything
> >       >       >       > else remains compatible with 2.1.2.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > That said, sometimes there ARE unintended
> breaking
> >       changes.
> >       > It
> >       >       > doesn't
> >       >       >       hurt
> >       >       >       > to try, though.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >     Diego
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 16:51, v64
> >       > <[email protected]>
> >       >       > wrote:
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       We're trying to decide whether/when to
> switch
> > to
> >       > 3.0.0 and
> >       >       > need some
> >       >       >       >       input.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       How stable is it? What are areas of
> > instability?
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       When is the release planned?
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       Thanks,
> >       >       >       >       v64
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
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