I M R NOT STNADINTUYNDER! Errr. I am not understanding!
ON a serious note, I use the .22 for pest control and I heard (please correct me if I'm wrong) that a K&N complements a 4->1 exhaust very nicely. -Yankee Kyle On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:23 PM, jeff scott <scott6...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thats another great thing about this group,the capability to have many > different subject lines (threads)= many different conversations without > getting too confused. > > > certainly glad that my mind is capable of multitasking ~ J. Scott > > ________________________________ > From: Moontoad <moontoa...@hotmail.com> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:03:57 PM > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air filter > > > What happened to this thread? I was facinated following Snookfever's > fuel/air delivery saga and Dennis' patient step by step analysis. It > sounded like Dennis had (a least) one more improvement to suggest. Now > we have been highjacked to discuss dead animals. Dennis, please finish > this off. What's your trick? Assume at least some of us are smart > enough to realize it may only be feasible under certain conditions and > could cause problems in others. > > On Mar 31, 1:01 am, Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Dennis: >> >> Rode to work today and it ran the best since I bought it. Warmed >> right up, smooth idle... smooth at take off. Thanks you very much!!! >> Not sure what I would have done without your knowledge and help. I >> was going to get a local shop to tune it but they wont touch a bike >> this old. My expertise is Snook fishing, if you are ever in South >> Florida I would love to return the favor. I just got back in from >> taking a friend from out of town and here two kids out fishing. Her >> Daughter caught her first Snook (29 inch keeper)! >> >> You indicated there was a neat trick to improve the bottom end...but >> never explained Yes! "want it to go better yet ?" What is the trick? >> >> On Mar 30, 11:16 pm, Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > No, at first. It becomes an asset later. The K&N is cone shaped and >> > installed, the small end is down. That should make you wonder. >> > FYI: the original is a paper pleated that is "U" shaped. >> >> > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > From: stanley/ Randolph <tinkrm...@yahoo.com> >> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air filter >> > To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com >> > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 3:09 PM >> >> > Dennis, >> > Your question piqued my curiosity. Does the shape of the filter make a >> > difference in the performance? >> > >> > Stanley >> >> > From: Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:55:57 PM >> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air filter >> >> > Just reread (destructions) I was supposed to put snokel back on and >> > was not!!! Rain stopped! WIll do it right abd get back to you. >> > Thanks again for your patience... >> >> > On Mar 28, 12:07 am, Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Find >> > anything in the slow jets ? How about the brass tubes above the mains ? At >> > 3~4K you start to depend on the next circuits to supply fuel. Since these >> > have enricheners and not >> >> > chokes, you can add some choke to make it run richer. Now if that >> > helps, increase the main jets to 120. You don't specify if the stumble is >> > just that or it is popping. ?? A pop is a good indication of lean. If it >> > truly is that lean, you could'nt get it to go above 5k at all. Getting it >> > up >> > there slowly means to me (IMHO) that the air speed is too slow to pick off >> > fuel. That's where the choke addition comes in. If that makes it worse, let >> > me know. A high air flow filter actually causes a slowing of the flow. >> > Untill they repeal the laws of physics (Obama just might) high speed air >> > works best. You do have the lid on the air box ? With the snorkle ? I hope >> > so. A complete air box is vital. >> >> > > One more thing, is this K&N cone shaped ? >> >> > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> wrote: >> > > From: Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air filter >> > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> >> > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:56 PM >> >> > > Ok, I wired the slow jets,put the K&N air filter in. I found some >> > > particles in the bottom of the carbs so I added an in line fuel >> > > filter. >> >> > > It ran fine at idle. Take off was ok. When you open the throttle from >> > > 3k to 4K it sputtered, could not get to 5 K and beyond without very >> > > gradual throttle turn. >> >> > > Plug Test: >> >> > > Cleaned number 1 and 4 plug and replaced. Both were brown on one side >> > > and white on the other >> >> > > Pulled >> >> > plugs after 1 mile ride and no real color change from cleaned> look. >> >> > > What now? >> >> > > Glen >> >> > > On Mar 22, 6:38 pm, Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> wrote:> If you >> > > can't pass a wire through it, it isn't clean. That's >> >> > > what I mean. The wire size is .0011" for a #35 slow jet. I don't care >> > > if you can blow through it, see through it,etc. If a .0011" wire >> > > doesn't pass through it, NG.> If you want it to work with a K&N, test >> > > that way. >> >> > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> wrote: >> > > > From: Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk >> >> > Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air filter >> >> > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" >> >> > > <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com>> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, >> > > 2:19 AM >> >> > > > What do you mean by did I wire out the slow jet? I soked them in >> > > > acetone and blew them out with compressed air. I pulled number 4 >> > > > plug >> > > > it was light tan on the insulation with some black on the threads. >> > > > Should I run the plug test with the stock filter or the K&N? >> >> > > > On Mar 21, 3:03 pm, Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> wrote:> >> >> > > Did you wire out the slow jet ? And yes, I have a method of enriching >> > > a >> >> > > > K&N >> >> > filter. I have one in one of my 700s and it required no changes >> >> > > but I >> > > > did a neat stunt and gave it more bottom end. My 700s pulls hard >> > > > from 2K >> > > up. >> > > > Made huge difference for me. I granny around a lot and spend too >> > > > much time >> > > in >> > > > traffic. Less shifting now. To understand it, you need to grasp air >> > > > flow >> > > > dynamics. The British did some good research on it back in the 50's. >> > > Get it >> > > > to work right first. >> >> > > > > --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > From: Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air >> > > filter >> > > > > To: "Nighthawk >> >> > Motorcycle Lovers!" >> >> > > > <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> >> >> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 9:57 AM >> >> > > > > I am very meticulous so I completely tore down the carbs and >> > > > > cleaned >> > > > > evey single part individually including pilot, needle,main jets, >> > > > > choke, every part. I was careful to put the same part back in the >> > > > > same carbs. I also disasembled and cleaned the petcock and >> > > > > screen. >> > > I >> > > > > blew every part dry with compressed air, I replaced O-rings and >> > > > > reasembled. The factory air filter is relatively new. >> >> > > > > I installed the K&N as instructed and removed the snorkel flipped >> > > the >> > > > > lid and installed. With the factory air box it idles perfect, >> > but >> > > does >> > > > > hesitate just a little at take off. I will perform the spark plug >> > > > > check and get back to you, but when I pulled one they were lite >> > > > > colored. Looks like she is running a little lean. If that is the >> > > case >> > > > > what do you do to enrich? >> >> > > > > Thanks for the help >> >> > > > > On Mar 20, 12:55 am, Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> >> > > wrote:> >> >> > > > Above 5k it runs mostly on the mains. I expected you to say right >> > > > off idle >> >> > > > > when pulling out. If you really cleaned the carbs, how ?> Now to >> > > do a >> >> > > > defined search for your problem. Ride the bike at the problem >> >> > > > > RPM for several minutes.put up with all it's actions. Ride it for >> > > at >> >> > > least a >> > > > > half mile that way. Pull the clutch and shut it down with the kill >> > > switch. >> > > > Pull >> > > > > over and remove some plugs. White ? brown ?, black ?> Take a >> > > picture >> >> > > > and forward. A plug reading, done right will indicate the >> >> > > > > nature of the problem.> From what you tell me about the tank rust >> >> > > > problem, I suspect the supply is >> >> > > > > poor to the carbs. The original air filter (especially if it was >> > > somewhat >> > > > dirty) >> > > > > would be a compliment to a poor delivery system. The K&N, passing >> > > more >> > > > air, >> > > > > would not. In other words.. lean, white plugs. Main jets are not >> > > likely to >> > > > ever >> > > > > clog, but with an inadequate fuel supply the condition you >> > > > > describe >> > > would >> > > > be >> >> > expected.> One last point for this post, are you installing the >> >> > > K&N >> > > > with the >> >> > > > > air-box lid ? Very tempting to do. It sounds neat, but runs >> > > > > poorly. >> >> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > From: Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air >> > > > filter >> > > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" >> >> > > > > <nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> >> >> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, >> > 1:13 AM >> >> > > > > > Dennis, >> >> > > > > > Withe the K&N It is not responsive,bogs down when >> > > accelerating. >> > > > I do >> > > > > > not remember the exact RPM range, but I think above 5K so maybe >> > > > > > midrange. I discovered rust in the fuel tank (fuel on pant >> > > leg) a >> > > > few >> > > > > > week after I got the bike. The carbs looked like they were >> > > painted >> > > > > > red with the rust particles. I redid the tank with KBS >> > > coatings and >> > > > > > did a complete carb breakdown and cleaning and the carbs looked >> > > > great. >> > > > > > I sinked the butterflies manually with the stem of a micrometer >> > > and >> > > > it >> > > > > > ran great. >> >> > > > > > With the OEM filter It does take a few minutes to warm up or it >> > > will >> >> > > > > want to die at take off. I have a shop manual and reset the >> >> > > pilots >> > > > the >> > > > > > same number of turn as they were set from the factory. >> >> > > > > > On Mar 19, 12:27 am, Dennis Hammerl <blues...@yahoo.com> >> > > > wrote:> >> >> > > > > If you can describe what crap runs like, maybe I can help. By >> > > themselves, >> >> > > > > > K&N filters do not affect anything. Great replacements >> > > (sorry >> > > > Stanley) >> > > > > > Installed properly, they require no rejetting. Mine works fine. >> >> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Snookfever >> >> > > <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > From: Snookfever <snookfev...@comcast.net> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air >> > > > filter >> > > > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" >> >> ... >> >> read more »- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
