You mean that the front wheel is not centered between the parallel lines from the rear wheel by 3/4" ? That's much worse than the 3/8" you started with. Loosen the axle caps and fork clamp bolts. Leave the caps finger tight so they can move about. You'll have to support the bike under the frame since it will fall down the tubes with the clamps loose. Using both hands, twist the fork tubes (both, at the same time) in their clamps and observe if the wheel moves. (this does require a helper) Unless I have it wrong, the wheel should move it's center line and come into alignment. (equal spacing on both sides) Stop and recheck for alignment in both planes. (vertical and inline with rear) Max allowable is 1/8" off. Be careful, go slow. Once you see what is happening, it'll come easy to you to make adjustments. Don't get frustrated, the front end of a 700 can be manipulated like no others. Still have the calipers off ? Leave 'em off for now.
________________________________ From: Glen <[email protected]> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 11:59:39 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further Dennis: Off the stand. Wheel is ok 90 dreees to the floor. Off center with rear. Lines up on right side but off on left side by 3/4 inch or so. What next? Glen On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > Everything stayed straight ? Still in perfect alignment with the back wheel ? > How about in parallel with the rear wheel as in earlier testing ? (that's the > second plane) Confirm both planes before we proceed. 90 degrees to floor and > less than 1/8" off center from rear wheel. That's as good as it gets. > > ________________________________ > From: Glen <[email protected]> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:28:00 PM > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > Dennis: > > All tight all right. What Next? > > Glen > > On Jan 28, 11:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Start by tightening the axle clamps. Front nuts first, then rear ones. > > Recheck alignment. Position tubes in fork bridge clamps (so much above top > > bridge) and tighten clamps. Recheck alignment. Install fender and fork > > brace and recheck alignment. That reason behind this all is to see if at > > any time it shifts. Constant rechecking after each step will show the exact > > component that is at fault. If it doesn't move and stays right, all the > > better. Leave the brake calipers off for now. Get back to me when this is > > completed. Brake set-up is a bit more precise. If it moves as any clamp is > > tightened, note which one and report in. > > > ________________________________ > > From: Glen <[email protected]> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 7:36:58 PM > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > Dennis: > > > Its perfect! I tripple checked it with a square on each side both > > front and rear. Its right on! > > > Whats next? > > > On Jan 27, 11:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You didn't say you had the tubes off. Start at the common 3/8" position. > > > We'll attend to those little details later. When you let the bike settle > > > on the axle, keep the jack/s in place, we'll need them to support it > > > during alignment. First order of business is to make this thing as > > > straight as can be. Later is brakes, tube height,,, for now just the > > > wheel in place. The method is quite simple once you understand how all > > > this fits together. If it cannot be corrected in this manner, we look > > > farther. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:05:56 PM > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > Dennis: > > > > Bearings seem fine, spacer is present, spedo tangs looks fine and were/ > > > are aligned. I cleaned out the factory grease in the spedo and > > > replaced with a quality bearing grease. Japan doesnt make good grease > > > and they are very skimpy with it. Before setting the wheel to the > > > forks, shouldn't I set the forks to the bike? How far above the upper > > > clamp should I set each fork? Left and right the same height? Shop > > > manual gives no guidence as to fork placement in the clamps and I did > > > not mark them last year when I replaced the fork seals. > > > > I fabricated independent adjustable jacks for each side of the bike to > > > hold the front end off the ground while on the center stand so I could > > > replace the fork seals last year. However they are not adjustable once > > > the weight is on them, so I am going to have to wait until I can get > > > some help to square the rear wheel and lower the forks onto the > > > wheel. > > > > Glen. > > > > On Jan 27, 9:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Bearings good ? spacer present ? Speedometer drive tangs in proper > > > > place ? Reassemble and snug (not torque) axle nut. Bike is on center > > > > stand.. right ? Use a carpenters square against the back wheel and shim > > > > one of the center stand feet if need be so that the rear wheel is a > > > > perfect 90 to the floor. You need this as a reference when putting the > > > > front end back together. Bike supported by some kind of adjustable jack > > > > ? Lower front end till it rests on the axle. Leave calipers off at this > > > > point. Lightly snug the fork bottom clamps against the axle. (finger > > > > tight) Check for alignment with rear wheel. Report back. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 6:21:36 PM > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > After an over night soak in blaster and a longer wrench from a > > > > neighbor I got the axel apart. The axel is straight and all parts are > > > > present according to my shop manual. > > > > > What next? > > > > > Captain Obvious: Yes, I have been using "PB" Blaster and a Heat Gun, > > > > would have used a torch but I did not want to melt the bearring dust > > > > covers or plastic gears in the spedo. The problem was leverage... size > > > > does matter! > > > > > Glen > > > > > On Jan 27, 3:21 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I am starting to lose it. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Kim Paddock <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 8:35:10 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > Hey Dennis...will you tell this wingnut that he needs to use PB > > > > > blaster to get his axle nut loose? He listens to you...somewhat. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:36:26 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > I wouldn't reassemble it till I found out why that is. Too many parts > > > > > in there to disregard. Stepped spacer one side, speedometer drive > > > > > other side. Two bearings, spacer inside. Axle nut 54' lbs. should be > > > > > tight but not stuck on unless over tightened. Over tightened would > > > > > damage bearings and pull fork tubes together. Missing internal spacer > > > > > would allow nut to be over tightened. Incorrect drive installation > > > > > would spread forks. Maybe it's fine. The bottom line is, it's your > > > > > butt. For me, I wanna' know. The tire was the giveaway that something > > > > > is wrong. Don't quit untill you know and correct it. I can't work > > > > > this way, my job depends on me doing it right. For me, I'd put a > > > > > socket on the fixed end bolt head and clamp a breaker bar in a vise, > > > > > and use the same deal on the nut end. Put a piece of pipe on the bar > > > > > and...it's coming off. I can't let a customer ride a bike I "think" > > > > > is OK. It better be right. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:42:32 PM > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > I cant get the axel nut loose and I am afraid I am going to break a > > > > > nuckle or worse something on the bike. The wheel appears to spin > > > > > true.I think the axel is fine. I would like to proceed with > > > > > reassembly. Please advise. Please note I have replaced the brake > > > > > pads already. > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Jan 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Send pix as attachments. The wear you describe is not right. Pads > > > > > > should wear evenly. Wheel is cocked to do this. Your measurements > > > > > > showed this too. That would cause the contact patch to be > > > > > > off-center. A careful re-assembly is going to take care of this. > > > > > > Still have to inspect the axle and get that right first. Gee, this > > > > > > bike will be totally different when you get done. Handle and brake > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:29:33 AM > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > > Dennis; > > > > > > > I do not know how to post a picture to an existing string. The pads > > > > > > are worn as if on a skew. One pads is thinner at the top then it is > > > > > > at > > > > > > the bottom and the other pad is the opposite thicker on the top > > > > > > then > > > > > > on the bottom. Wheel spin was relative to axel in hand. When in the > > > > > > forks without brakes wheel spins smooth and easy. I took a picture > > > > > > of > > > > > > the pads and will try to e-mail to you directly.Still can get nut > > > > > > off > > > > > > soking it in blaster. > > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 11:22 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wear is uneven ? Send pix. Wheel requires some effort to turn ? > > > > > > > Something very wrong here. Get the axle apart and see. Resolve > > > > > > > this before we go any further. This sounds like an assembly > > > > > > > problem. Incorrect order of assembly or parts missing. The speedo > > > > > > > drive cannot drag the wheel down but a missing bearing spacer > > > > > > > would. Let's see the pads and what they tell us. The wear pattern > > > > > > > is a giveaway. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 9:27:36 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > > > I have rexamined everything very closley and here is what I found: > > > > > > > > Found a very small amount of play in the neck, tightened 1/8 turn. > > > > > > > > Brake pads are mettalic and wear is uneven and down to 1/8 inch or > > > > > > > less (I have new organic pads). > > > > > > > > I still cant get axle nut loose. Fok oil leaked out of the > > > > > > > anti-dive > > > > > > > adjust. Leak is now fixed will try to get axle nut off again > > > > > > > later. > > > > > > > Spinning wheel in the forks it looked true and has no play. Axle > > > > > > > spins > > > > > > > but not without effort, I am assuming speedo is slowing it down. > > > > > > > > I examined the fork tubes carefully with a strait > > ... > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.
