<I think someone put some
shims in there and the bike seems to run rich.>

Much as I hate to admit it, that may be something the PO actually did
right.  Hondas tend to be cold-blooded (slow to warm up and run right
and a characteristic mid-throttle hesitation) because the carbs are
set purposely lean from the factory to avoid running afoul of the EPA.

A common mod to improve throttle response is to insert two Radio Shack
#4 washers under the needles, in lieu of a trial-and-error rejet. It
improves performance throughout the range.

I won't let the PO off entirely, though.  It depends on whether he
used the correct washers.  I forget the exact measurements of the
washers, but I know #4 works best.  Of course, if he used some other
washers out of a can he had lying around, he might still be the dufus
we've accused him of being ;-)

Anyway, #4s would only cost ya a couple bucks, and you'd know you had
the right ones.



On Feb 21, 6:21 pm, 85_NH650 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Pat.
> Somehow the ascii drawing got distorted, but you got the picture!
> Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the group. Now I feel better
> about installing these gaskets. I guess the POs were reinstalling torn
> gaskets and used sealant to prevent leaks from the tear and old
> rubber...
> I'll be tackling the needle jet next because I think someone put some
> shims in there and the bike seems to run rich.
> Thanks again.
> Richie
>
> On Feb 21, 12:24 pm, Pat Patterson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Nice askii sketch btw. That's called a double lip o-ring. In the
> > hydraulics world it's the best but can be fussy to get to lay in the
> > grove properly. You MUST make sure it doesn't get rolled or twisted
> > on install. Don't use any sealant But a light smear of oil (110% no
> > dust or grit) can sometimes help it seal for startup. On fussy
> > sunstrand pumps I've used a very light smear of white lith grease but
> > carbs don't work at 2500psi so you should be ok.
>
> > At 08:02 AM 2/21/2012, you wrote:
>
> > >Hi Bob,
>
> > >Just to clarify, this is what a cross-section of my gasket looks like.
> > >The upper part is more 'rounded' of course and fit the carb's groove
> > >perfectly while the bottom part has a groove inside that runs around
> > >the entire gasket's shape.
> > >Richie
>
> > >Bowl Side
> > >  ________
> > >/              \
> > >|  ______   |
> > >|_|          |_|
>
> > >Body Side
>
> > >On Feb 20, 6:26 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > I just looked at a spare carb and was reminded that the gasket is a 
> > > > molded
> > > > o-ring that matches the shape of the groove in the bowl. The o-ring 
> > > > looked
> > > > to be round(cross section).
>
> > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM, 85_NH650 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Guys,
>
> > > > > I finally decided to take the plunge and clean my carbs myself. I have
> > > > > an 85 NH 650 that had terrible recurring issues with hesitation/
> > > > > choking/stalling at low speeds while performing fine at higher speed.
> > > > > I had the jets cleaned a couple of times but the problems came back
> > > > > within days. This started around the time ethanol was introduced.
>
> > > > > I'm still in the process of cleaning the carbs, but I'd like to know:
> > > > > 1). which side of the gasket faces the float bowl (bottom part of
> > > > > carb): the rounded side or the 'grooved/flat side?
> > > > > 2). Do I need to use any kind of sealer/compound or RTV (?) type stuff
> > > > > on the gaskets before installing? Or anything else to 'treat' the
> > > > > gaskets before installation?
>
> > > > > It looks like whoever worked on the carbs before used some type of
> > > > > gasket sealing stuff and I had to soak/clean up a mess of old and
> > > > > newer material that had deteriorated and clumped into the carbs and is
> > > > > probably effecting the low jets. We shall see.
>
> > > > > I'd appreciate any help/advice you can give me as this is the first
> > > > > time I tackle this task to cut down on the cost of having someone else
> > > > > do it for me.
>
> > > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > > Richie
>
> > Pat Patterson
> > Abbotsford, BC, Canada
> > VA7PDP
>
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> > 83 450 Honda Nighthawk
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