I'm thinking I'll just get a propeller for the top of my helmet. -Kyle
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com>wrote: > You could put wings on your 700, you know. Would look good! > > Kurt > On Aug 13, 2012 9:55 AM, "Kyle Munz" <kyle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm just trying to offer suggestions to expand your project ;) >> >> -Kyle >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> The 650 is just too big for a gyro, Kyle. That's the next project, based >>> on a CB250 frame. :p >>> >>> Kurt >>> On Aug 13, 2012 9:46 AM, "Kyle Munz" <kyle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I was trying to figure out where to mount the wings, or perhaps just >>>> make a gyrocopter out of it? >>>> >>>> -Kyle >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Kurt Nolte >>>> <vturbine.po...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Teach me to send emails without looking. *DRIVESHAFT side, no >>>>> aircraft. >>>>> >>>>> Going to go check out a machine shop on Wednesday before an optometry >>>>> appointment, see what they'll run me to make the cuts and do the lathe >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> Kurt >>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 8:05 AM, "Kurt Nolte" <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I thought on it some more, and with the sleeves I plan to use I can >>>>>> get away with really simple cuts on each side of the swingarm. The sleeve >>>>>> on the aircraft driveshaft side will take care of the lip. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then it's a matter of getting the sleeves turned down and one bushing >>>>>> in the rear needs a slope cut into it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shouldn't be expensive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt >>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 7:50 AM, "Allen Thomas" <althomas...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> Man you're in deep, good luck with it. >>>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: * Kurt Nolte <vturbine.po...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Sender: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> *Date: *Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:13:21 -0400 >>>>>>> *To: *<nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> *ReplyTo: * nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] The Great CB650SC update >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Update minus pictures, the camera's still in the garage all set up. >>>>>>> I'll get pictures later once I have time to resize them and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The left side pivot bolt takes a 14mm allen bit. The right side is a >>>>>>> 10mm allen, and a 23/24mm or 1" deep socket can be cut down to make the >>>>>>> tool for the locking nut. I cut down a gearwrench 23mm deep 3/8" drive >>>>>>> socket, using a 1.25" speedbor bit and some scrap wood to make a >>>>>>> template >>>>>>> to align the keys. They're ~10mm wide and located at an easy 90* from >>>>>>> each >>>>>>> other: four lines on a square of wood, drill down the middle, cut off >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> 6-point section of the bit to get to the meatier part of the socket, >>>>>>> mark >>>>>>> and cut. Freehanded it well enough with an angle grinder and a cutoff >>>>>>> wheel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I got the two swingarms out and side by side, there was an >>>>>>> immediate issue: the Sabre swingarm is ~1.5" wider at the pivot than the >>>>>>> CB650 swingarm. HOWEVER, the Nighthawk arm does not butt against the >>>>>>> frame >>>>>>> on both sides; actual clearance difference is closer to 1/4" rather than >>>>>>> the 1"+ the width difference suggests, especially once the step is >>>>>>> accounted for on the Nighthawk arm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The bearing diameters are different, that was obvious; the Nighthawk >>>>>>> uses NSK 30202 bearings (15x35x11.75mm bore diameter X outer diameter X >>>>>>> depth) while the Sabre uses 30203J bearings (17x40x12mm). There is also >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> enough thickness to the Sabre arm tube to machine the step on the shaft >>>>>>> side, though there is PLENTY of depth on the brake side to cut down for >>>>>>> clearance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given my original intention to leave the Nighthawk frame intact, >>>>>>> only adding tabs and not cutting any part of the frame, I have a plan. >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> going to have the Sabre swingarm cut to make clearance, then I will fit >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> steel sleeve bushing into each side, sized to allow me to continue using >>>>>>> Nighthawk bearings, seals and grease retainers. Since I am not >>>>>>> increasing >>>>>>> the weight of the bike in any significant way, these will be fine. These >>>>>>> sleeves will allow me to machine the step on the driveshaft side, and >>>>>>> give >>>>>>> me some additional thickness on the brake side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A stock Nighthawk right side pivot bolt can easily be cut down and >>>>>>> machined to accept the closer frame, and should actually be stronger >>>>>>> for it >>>>>>> with less lever arm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sleeving to use the Nighthawk bearings allows me to use stock, >>>>>>> readily available bearings and seals. Using the bearing codes means >>>>>>> they're >>>>>>> ~$16/each versus $45+ at a motorcycle site or dealer, and this isn't >>>>>>> "direct from China" pricing either; that's $3 each. Not worth it to me, >>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>> rather have "Made In Japan," "Made In Germany," or "Made In USA" on my >>>>>>> bearings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My ONLY concern with this is the difference in tube centerlines for >>>>>>> the driveshaft tubes. The Nighthawk arm has a tube centerline, measured >>>>>>> from the flat outer face of the bearing tube, of 1.7". The Sabre >>>>>>> swingarm, >>>>>>> measured similarly, is 2.4", for a difference of .7". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I obtained these centerlines by clamping a straight edge to the >>>>>>> bearing face on the outside of the swingarm, then measuring to a >>>>>>> straight >>>>>>> edge held against each wall of the driveshaft tube. There may be an >>>>>>> issue >>>>>>> with my methodology. 1.7" does not appear to put the driveshaft >>>>>>> universal >>>>>>> joint in any danger of scraping or rubbing on the outside of the Sabre >>>>>>> swingarm tube, though that .7" difference does mean that the joint will >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> operating at a bit of an angle. Are there shims I can remove to move the >>>>>>> angle drive closer to the transmission before we enter the swingarm? I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>> also going to try getting a little bit of material taken from the Sabre >>>>>>> arm >>>>>>> to reduce that distance, but I can't take more than a 1/4" that way, IF >>>>>>> that. Will still leave me nearly 1/2" out of alignment, but only on the >>>>>>> driveshaft tube centerlines, not necessarily the the driveshaft itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at the way the driveshaft sits in the Nighthawk tube with >>>>>>> the final drive case installed, it rides really close to the edge of the >>>>>>> tube anyway rather than down the centerline. The Sabre has an extra .4" >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> clearance on that side (1" even from outer face to inner tube wall vs. >>>>>>> Nighthawk's 1.4"). I think I'll be fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On a non-swingarm (or perhaps tangentially related) I will be >>>>>>> building a bracket to move the rear brake pedal assembly 1/2" further >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> the frame. This will let me mount the rear master cylinder where it >>>>>>> won't >>>>>>> interfere with the swingarm's movement, and looking at where the footpad >>>>>>> ends up it won't be a problem for my big foot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any thoughts, ideas, questions so far? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Kurt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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