From: Ron Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!!
I suggest you read up on Benjamin Franklin and the other 55 men who eventually signed the Declaration of Independence. They were under no illusions. They knew they were committing high treason against the Crown and that the penalty for doing so was death by hanging. They understood quite clearly that they were indeed pledging "to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From:
Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WAKE
UP!!!!
I don't know if Benjamin Franklin can assess what I deserve, nor
would he
know my definition of those terms.
I have no idea what would need to be changed.
Preventing access to the cockpit from the fuselage while the
plane is in
flight? Ground-based override of plane
controls? (no corruption
possibilities there, eh?). I
don't know.
Are you suggesting that nothing be changed?
William
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew
Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WAKE
UP!!!!
>>Please, explain to the families of those missing or dead
>>why we should not give up any liberty in
exchange for security;
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." --
Benjamin Franklin
Please explain what SECURITY measures should have been taken on
the morning
of the 11th that would have prevented the
tragedy...
- ASB
-----Original Message-----
From:
PITNEY,LDENISE (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WAKE
UP!!!!
A friend of mine who just had a baby told me "You know they only
call it
morning sickness. It actually lasts all
day." It's kinda like 'free'dom,
it's not really
free that's just what it's called.
Econ 200 Professor Wells, The University of Arizona in Tucson
--"There is no
such thing as a free lunch, ..and if you
say love...we know you're a
freshman."
The 'free'dom we've had all these years has never been FREE!!
Ask anyone
whose served during a war -- personally our
'free'dom has cost me an uncle
(whom I never met), a
father who still can't watch war movies and has skin
problems because of agent orange, another uncle who is slightly off,
and
let's not forget about taxes; 'free'dom costs me
more than 30% a year.
You can_not_have_it_all. It is as simple as supply and demand --
in your
personal life, can you spend all of the money
you work for on any whimsical
idea that pops into your
head? No, because you will be less; homeless,
clothes-less, penniless but if that is your decision you have the choice
to
make it so, but you can not have it both ways. As
we've learned recently,
the 'free'dom we all think is
'free' has cost us around $20billion, (I think
that's a
low figure too) -- it doesn't include lives either. Please, explain
to the families of those missing or dead why we should not give
up any
liberty in exchange for security; you should be
able to find their phone
numbers one of the news
websites as they were on television last night
making
desperate pleas for their loved ones. Terrorist came to our country
and moved about freely, and have turned our own freedoms
against us; but we
don't want the FBI to scan email?
Claim slippery-slope if you want to, but
something, as
compared to nothing (what happened on Tuesday) seems like a
better option at this point.
Don't be confused, it's cost a H*ll of a lot to be free, we just
don't
calculate the hidden costs.
Denise
-----Original Message-----
From:
Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:11 AM
To: NT
System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The idiocy
continues!
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Jolley Lee @Consult wrote:
> I don't want to sound really stupid here...I live in the UK and i'm
not
> sure what all of the loss of freedom threads
are about. Is something
> happening in the US?
Nothing, yet. But there are real, and arugably
justifiable, fears that
our civil liberties will be
sacrificed as a result of these attacks.
--
Ben Scott
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