RE: WAKE UP!!!!

[Andrew Baker]

Title: RE: WAKE UP!!!!

>>Granted people could still carry makeshift, non-metal weapons on themselves,

>>but maybe we need a general pat-down as well.  I would gladly deal with that

>>extra "hassle" to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. 

 

I won't even bother providing an example of how easy it would be to get a ceramic knife aboard a plane EVEN IF you were patting people down.  It would just add another useless step.

 

 

>>Would any of you set up a brand new firewall and then not update it for five years?

 

I wouldn't consider that a good analogy, as a firewall is only Perimeter security.

 

Does you organization have a Host-based IDS system on each machine?

 

 

 

- ASB

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!!

The measures that need to be changed are the security checkpoints.  The metal detectors and x-rays.  Keeping the U.S. Marshals on the planes like they did in the past.  Restricting (and actually ENFORCING) the carry-on bags (quantity and size).  All these things would help prevent getting weapons on board.  Granted people could still carry makeshift, non-metal weapons on themselves, but maybe we need a general pat-down as well.  I would gladly deal with that extra "hassle" to prevent this sort of thing from happening again.  Providing more leg room would even help if you ask me.  I'd be more apt to display action vs. a hijacker if I could get out of my seat quick enough.  It's really a shame if the hijackers only had knives on those planes, but then again, the passengers had no idea what their intentions were I imagine.

It is just a shame to see us get lax on security.  Would any of you set up a brand new firewall and then not update it for five years?

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Andrew Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:18 PM
To:     NT System Admin Issues
Subject:        RE: WAKE UP!!!!

>>Preventing access to the cockpit from the fuselage
>>while the plane is in flight? 

I completely agree.

>>Ground-based override of plane controls?
>>(no corruption possibilities there, eh?).

You've just pointed out a problem with that one... :)

>>Are you suggesting that nothing be changed?

Of course not.  Your suggestions, however, do nothing to minimize our
freedoms.

I'm opposed to the mentality that would have cameras everywhere, and require
us to get permission to geo to the bathroom.

Can anyone point out any specific things that airport security could have
done to avert the atrocities of 09/11/01?   If not, it means you're probably
barking up the wrong tree.

Our strength is our freedom, and it was used against us.  However, rigid
controls against movement, and having to fly virtually unclothed in order to
eliminate the likelihood of carrying any weapons, is not the way to go.

As an aside, hijackers are going to find it somewhat harder to subdue a
plane full of people in the future, since the risk of death via action (vs.
inaction) has been largely minimized.

 
- ASB
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!!

I don't know if Benjamin Franklin can assess what I deserve, nor would he
know my definition of those terms.

I have no idea what would need to be changed.

Preventing access to the cockpit from the fuselage while the plane is in
flight?  Ground-based override of plane controls? (no corruption
possibilities there, eh?). I don't know. 

Are you suggesting that nothing be changed?

William

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!!

>>Please, explain to the families of those missing or dead
>>why we should not give up any liberty in exchange for security;

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Please explain what SECURITY measures should have been taken on the morning
of the 11th that would have prevented the tragedy...

 
- ASB
 

-----Original Message-----
From: PITNEY,LDENISE (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WAKE UP!!!!

A friend of mine who just had a baby told me "You know they only call it
morning sickness. It actually lasts all day."  It's kinda like 'free'dom,
it's not really free that's just what it's called.

Econ 200 Professor Wells, The University of Arizona in Tucson --"There is no
such thing as a free lunch, ..and if you say love...we know you're a
freshman."

The 'free'dom we've had all these years has never been FREE!! Ask anyone
whose served during a war -- personally our 'free'dom has cost me an uncle
(whom I never met), a father who still can't watch war movies and has skin
problems because of agent orange, another uncle who is slightly off, and
let's not forget about taxes; 'free'dom costs me more than 30% a year.

You can_not_have_it_all. It is as simple as supply and demand -- in your
personal life, can you spend all of the money you work for on any whimsical
idea that pops into your head? No, because you will be less; homeless,
clothes-less, penniless but if that is your decision you have the choice to
make it so, but you can not have it both ways. As we've learned recently,
the 'free'dom we all think is 'free' has cost us around $20billion, (I think
that's a low figure too) -- it doesn't include lives either. Please, explain
to the families of those missing or dead why we should not give up any
liberty in exchange for security; you should be able to find their phone
numbers one of the news websites as they were on television last night
making desperate pleas for their loved ones. Terrorist came to our country
and moved about freely, and have turned our own freedoms against us; but we
don't want the FBI to scan email? Claim slippery-slope if you want to, but
something, as compared to nothing (what happened on Tuesday) seems like a
better option at this point.

Don't be confused, it's cost a H*ll of a lot to be free, we just don't
calculate the hidden costs.

Denise

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The idiocy continues!

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Jolley Lee @Consult wrote:
> I don't want to sound really stupid here...I live in the UK and i'm not
> sure what all of the loss of freedom threads are about. Is something
> happening in the US?

  Nothing, yet.  But there are real, and arugably justifiable, fears that
our civil liberties will be sacrificed as a result of these attacks.

--
Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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