Do I strike you as that kind of patient? (pun intended). I've mentored. People that showed a base level of "clue" and "initiative". Not that post every damn little detail of their daily job to a tech list.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Kim Longenbaugh <[email protected]>wrote: > you were fortunate to have mentors, then. not all of us are that > fortunate. maybe you should take John under your wing and teach him the > right way to do things. > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gary Slinger [[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:06 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > No; I would never have been allowed to post the kind of questions he > posts at the start of my career. > > Although, to be fair, that would have involved questions pertaining to the > best way to carry a stack of System/36 reel-to-reel tapes from the data > center to the backup location - should I stack more above the elbow, or > below, and is the loss risk of carrying a whole batch at once worth it? > > That sort of thing... > > At the start of my career, I was taught to research. And, when necessary, > to seek help, by presenting a documented case indicating what the issue was, > what had been attempted, what had been eliminated or what was suspected, and > to indicate the specific areas that I needed detailed help in. > > Not, for instance, this bunch of garbage. > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Kim Longenbaugh <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> any chance that J is you at the start of your career? maybe he's just >> now learning his lessons... >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* William Robbins [[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:04 PM >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> Well "anything" covers a lot of ground Gary, and I don't think that's >> fair. >> >> - WJR >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:50, Gary Slinger <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> **You prove your own point. He's not a 'professional' anything. >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *William Robbins <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:36:44 -0500 >>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> >>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>> >>> I would submit that you should, as an "IT professional" have an idea of >>> costs because you may be asked by "management" to provide that information >>> for budgetary planning... >>> >>> Or you could submit a blind post here and hope someone does your research >>> for you...again. >>> >>> - WJR >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:21, John Aldrich < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Honestly, I have not looked at the cost of a new desktop system lately >>>> as I >>>> know that management is not going to approve the purchase of one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> >>>> What was supposed to be shocking exactly? >>>> >>>> That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't >>>> have a spare $2500? >>>> >>>> - WJR >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will >>>> cost. I >>>> haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock >>>> value. >>>> :D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." >>>> >>>> - WJR >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad >>>> core >>>> with 8GB of RAM.... >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? >>>> I >>>> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office >>>> 2010 >>>> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a >>>> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy >>>> is >>>> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any >>>> time >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM >>>> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things >>>> you've >>>> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job >>>> appropriately. >>>> >>>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll >>>> understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan >>>> whose >>>> head seems to be swelling. >>>> >>>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... >>>> >>>> - WJR >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... >>>> Outlook is >>>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I >>>> have a >>>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my >>>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes >>>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and >>>> internet >>>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a >>>> drastically >>>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a >>>> decent >>>> workstation. >>>> >>>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup >>>> time >>>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate >>>> as >>>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a >>>> load >>>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. >>>> But if >>>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few >>>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of >>>> its >>>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues >>>> that >>>> need to be resolved. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv >>>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at >>>> any >>>> moment >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Steve Ens <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> >>>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a >>>> whole >>>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it >>>> from >>>> my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. >>>> >>>> >>>> Roger Wright >>>> ___ >>>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected] >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. >>>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if >>>> I >>>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've >>>> decided >>>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly. >>>> >>>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> >>>> how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but >>>> that >>>> seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre >>>> services, >>>> by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Andrew S. Baker [[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console >>>> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then >>>> your >>>> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically >>>> manages >>>> the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the >>>> state of >>>> the server (e.g. workstation locked). >>>> >>>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... >>>> ASB >>>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >>>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled >>>> basis… >>>> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the >>>> Console >>>> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a >>>> bit >>>> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a >>>> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM >>>> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >>>> >>>> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? >>>> >>>> >>>> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? >>>> >>>> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the >>>> previous two issues)? >>>> ASB >>>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >>>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the >>>> server >>>> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I >>>> have >>>> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with >>>> Sunbelt >>>> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the >>>> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's >>>> non-interactive.) >>>> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better >>>> suggestions? 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~ >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Stefan Jafs >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! 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~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > > > -- > Gary K. 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