Now, now John. As an IT professional, it is probably in your best interest to keep up to speed on these items, the same as it would be to know what the new software/hardware is available. It is our job to know. Even if you can't afford it.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 2:31 PM, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>wrote: > The reason I have no idea what a new desktop would cost is that management > is NOT going to approve ANYTHING right now, so why even bother looking??? > Get real! > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:38 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > Well that bit didn't shock anyone....except maybe Jonathan who's now > wearing > cowboy boots and looking for a horse to ride. > > - WJR > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:20, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > That I have no idea what a new, fully-configured 64-bit workstation with > Office, a ton of RAM and all the other assorted pieces of software that > would have to be rebought would cost. > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > What was supposed to be shocking exactly? > > That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't > have a spare $2500? > > - WJR > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will cost. > I > haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock value. > :D > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." > > - WJR > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: > $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad > core > with 8GB of RAM.... > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <stefan.j...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich < > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I > mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010 > and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a > 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is > going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time > soon. > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've > listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job > appropriately. > > But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll > understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan > whose > head seems to be swelling. > > He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... > > - WJR > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook > is > a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a > VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my > system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. > > > > From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes > dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and > internet > browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically > underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent > workstation. > > I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup > time > and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as > much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load > of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But > if > your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few > management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its > memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues > that > need to be resolved. > > Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv > Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any > moment > ________________________________________ > From: Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 > To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich > <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole > bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D > > > From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from > my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. > > > Roger Wright > ___ > Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich < > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. > Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I > want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided > not to automatically reboot the server weekly. > > From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but that > seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre services, > by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill > ________________________________________ > From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console > down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then > your > only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages > the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state > of > the server (e.g. workstation locked). > > Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... > ASB > http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich > <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis… > THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console > remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a > bit > of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a > process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me. > > > > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? > > > B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? > > C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the > previous two issues)? > ASB > http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich > <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server > to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have > to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with > Sunbelt > support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the > console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.) > They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better > suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard. > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! 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~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > -- > Stefan Jafs > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! 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