Back in the day, L0pht would be completely ineffectual against such a password, 
even if you included said character in its character set. I emailed L0pht at 
the time and they said they didn't support cracking alt-char passwords.  I've 
heard that this is not the case with other password crackers, but even if so, 
adding these types of characters extends the time for brute-force cracking 
astronomically. Even if you take into account rainbow tables, I haven't been 
able to find a rainbow table that includes that wide of a character set.

All that said, we moved away from alt-char passwords since they often 
introduced incompatibilities. Outlook Web Access was one place they failed for 
us years ago. Again, I don't know if this has improved, but I would guess not.  
Another possible problem is trying to use them on devices that lack a method of 
entering them.  Most phone's don't have an alt key and numeric keypad :)

One other, note, not all alt-chars are created equal, especially if you're 
cracking against an LM hash. For instance, alt-141 (ì) is interpreted as simply 
a lowercase (i). There's a quite dated, yet relevant, article at sysopt about 
some of my findings at http://www.sysopt.com/tutorials/article.php/3532756. The 
download referenced is no longer available, but I have the original if you're 
interested.

From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: password questions

I have been asked to speak to an group regarding personal internet security.  
This will be a fairly light weight discussion and I have a couple of really 
good references regarding choosing secure passwords and the 
https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm site for testing.

My question for all of you is this:

What if you incorporate a symbol not normally found on a keyboard into your 
password - such as ¢ which requires the key combo alt/0162?  Does this increase 
or decrease the hackability of your password - or is it completely irrelevant?  
To a hacker, is the actual password alt0162 or is it ¢?

Thanks for any information you can offer.


Shauna Hensala



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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:07:15 +0100
Subject: Re: External subdomains considered dangerous?
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

Aha, you are therefore a Chinese agent :-)
On 9 September 2011 15:47, Matthew B Ames 
<matthew.a...@qinetiq.com<mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com>> wrote:
Maybe those companies only use external hosted pop3/imap accounts (granted that 
is unlikely).

I assume from the article is more about a company emailing another company.

I own a .org.uk<http://org.uk> domain in the UK, and I quite often get emails 
(which is meant for the .org).  I have even had invoices, emails from their 
accounts department, etc landing in my personal email.  More recently I had a 
batch of CVs for people apply for job applications as a secretary - either they 
misread the advert or just automatically typed in the .uk without thinking 
about it - as the .org is a UK based company).

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: 09 September 2011 15:31
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: External subdomains considered dangerous?

Why are internal email addresses being typed in manually?
ASB

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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Kurt Buff 
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20gb of email in six months, and it includes full router configs with
passwords, too.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/doppelganger-domains/
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