I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some "non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved. An interesting thought, isn't it?
-----Original Message----- From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need brains and a lot of hard work. Of course if it's something you love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far higher. "Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, right? Wrong. Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's computer club in 1968. A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to programming. The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready." http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/10000_hours_of_practice/ And another recommended read: http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_10000_hours_of.html Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook. Well...at least not to be CEO of either... Ben M. Schorr Roland Schorr & Tower www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr -----Original Message----- From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! "This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking. It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was really happening. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a very large company in Nashville. IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the process. I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." I then took MBS' advice and went solo. I say screw FTE! :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com > -----Original Message----- > From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT - ugh! > > Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very > strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact > that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER > ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, > period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can > fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied > background which would include more than one job over a decade. I > think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds > to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch > my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best > efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also > obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it! > > Murray > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Hill > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT - ugh! > > I feel for you. > > But try and look at this way. If they can't see the value you can > offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were > employed by them. > > You are better off with an employer that shares your values. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT - ugh! > > "Because we feel you are not diversified enough to address our issues." > > Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no > project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff > treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop > the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), > I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop > the fires (also gave > details.) > > I guess they rather have the fires... > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman <drkuhl...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 > > years...Sorry to hear that Jacob. > > > > I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice > > people so far. > > > > I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows > > background), but it's a job and a chance to learn. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Don K > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Jacob Kisner <jbdkis...@gmail.com> > > To: NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM > > Subject: OT - ugh! > > > > Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a > > different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we > > are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that > > we changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same > > company for 15 years..." 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